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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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alrite so i should be safe filing up with half tank and adding the 1/2 oz ill have to try this and see what happens thanks for the help
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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So ya'll saying I should fill up half the tank with 2 stroke oil, and then the other half with diesel.....
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mongo75
So ya'll saying I should fill up half the tank with 2 stroke oil, and then the other half with diesel.....
Uh.....what?

One half of one ounce of oil per gallon of diesel. 8 ounces of oil in half a tank of fuel.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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I know, I was tryin' to get a laugh outta ya guys!!
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 10:24 PM
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Thank goodness. I almost asked you what you were smoking.....but then decided I didn't really want to know.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 10:30 PM
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Late April fools kind of LOL. I figure who couldn't use a good laugh even now and then!

BTW Scott- what kinda filter is that on your Vormax? I use Napa 3384 ( I think that's it) but its huge. I still have the original clear bowlm but those double open end filters are expensive compared to the $18 I spend on mine. I do like the filter restriction guage!
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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Guys, I fell into the trap of using 2 cycle oil to treat my fuel. It all sounds good on the front end. More lubricity, better fuel economy and so on. But being in the business that I am in I can get expert advice on anything concerning oils, lubricants, and fuel additives. I have been told that 2 cycle oil will cause increased oxidation of your engine oil and high nitration of the oil. So my advice to you is to not run it and to pick a good fuel additve to run. Just my 2cent.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 10:35 PM
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how is that possible?
 
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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I am not trying to act smart at all, because I am not. The increaseed oxidation and nitration levels occurs through bypass of the rings. Dont ask me about the chemical reactions that cause this, because I just dont know. I guess this is the reason you dont see any fuel additive or any companies marketing 2cycle as a additive for diesel fuel.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:22 AM
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It might be possible but I don't see it happening. If there is that much fuel passing the rings the oil is going to be fuel contaminated anyway. That's going to cause much bigger problems than oxidation. There should be enough of us using it to tell from the UOAs. I use the 2 cycle oil off and on to quieten down the engine and add some lube to the ULSD junk.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:02 AM
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i am about half way through this tank that I added the 2cycle to. I really haven't noticed much of a difference, but will now for sure about MPG in the next couple of days.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jrciii56
I am not trying to act smart at all, because I am not. The increaseed oxidation and nitration levels occurs through bypass of the rings. Dont ask me about the chemical reactions that cause this, because I just dont know. I guess this is the reason you dont see any fuel additive or any companies marketing 2cycle as a additive for diesel fuel.
I don't know about this stuff either, but this line of reasoning seems to follow the decreased oil change intervals recommended by the manufacturer's for folks that run Biodiesel. Apparently the engine guys see some relation between the fuel and oil.

Is anyone that's trying the 2 cycle having oil analysis done?
 
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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This sounds like an interesting topic to keep tabs on. I would like to see how this progresses.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jrciii56
I have been told that 2 cycle oil will cause increased oxidation of your engine oil and high nitration of the oil.
To me the benefits of running two cycle oil in the fuel are real and repeatable, at least so far. You have provided me with a potential downside, but it seems I don't speak the language. What exactly does increased oxidation and nitration mean? What are the signs? What is a worst case scenario, or even an example of internal combustion oxidation? I mean....I can define both words, but when I apply them it sounds like me engine is going to be producing fertilizer.

I guess my question for your experts is how does oxidation and nitration corrolate into a real world defineable threat to my engine?
 
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:36 PM
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I'm guessing nitration and oxidation are commonly referred to as that "black gunk" in your engine. However, all the studies I've seen mainly deal with GASOLENE, not diesel so the data is interpretive and possibly non linear.

In my case I didn't notice anything better except # 8 was quieter, and found the cost benefits VS DK grey weren't that great. Perhaps if I got a concoction going of manyed and various chemicals things would improve, BUT i'm still going with fat dose of grey DK.
 
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