I tow the same trailer with my V-10 rig no problems. By the way if you really are 9000lbs (I think you are guessing and have not weighed it) then you are 1000LBS over the GVWR of 8008 for that 8317SS. I would watch the tires and axles very carefully being that much overloaded.

Rc

 

I towed a 6k trailer with my F150 and now that same 6k seems like a paper weight with my 6.0L. I am sold on the diesel. It is a wash at the fuel pump due to better mileage and I have power to spare.

Just my .02

 

Yes you are correct, never really weighed it fully loaded, we always dry camp and have our tank full of water, so I probably over guessed.

Tows like a dream though, BTW nice Set up

 

Well guys all this mine is better than your's is very informing! Lot's of good info, but it seems to me if gasser engines were to be advantageous when it comes to towing and heavy hauling that's what you would see all over the world. Unfortunately that is not what you see, diesel engines are definitely in the majority of semi's, tractors, generators, and on and on......... While the V-10 is a nice motor you really cannot say that is better for towing than a diesel, even if it can tow the same weight! Hook up a 9k trailer to a V-10 and also to a power stroke and go climb the rockies running through Eisenhower tunnel. Then take at look at the RPM's of each engine total. That's why diesel's last longer and remain stronger into the higher miles. My 6.0 pulling a 7% grade would not rev beyond 3k rpms, while the V-10 could be right next to me/maybe? It would be spinning 1500 to 2000 more RPM's to tow that same weight at the same speed. If this is a comparison between the V-10 and the Diesel strictly based on towing and longevity the diesel will always win hands down.....Can't even be argued, it's an industry standard throughout the whole world! Is the V-10 a powerful gasser, of course but I would not say it's ideal for towing, nor as economical, nor will it have as much longevity due to it's internal parts spinning 1000's more rpm's during it's life vs. a lower revving diesel. When these V-10 diesel comparison show up it's ridiculous because a diesel will always be the winner over the long haul....... And in no way is this a slam on the V-10 owners at all, just a honest truthful factual observation. A V-10 is an adequate motor that will do what you want it to, but a diesel will do the same a little bit better with and with more ease.

 

Not anti-diesel at all. If I had found the limits of the V10 with my 9000# TT with where I travel (and as indicated above...I travel far and wide) I would definitely look for a PSD. However...I have motor left for what I need...so why leave extra on the table and pay more for it all around? The PSD is a very capable engine...if I were tugging a 12,000# or more 5'r...I would surely do it with a PSD...so how is that anti-diesel? Plus if I were loaded to 80,000# GCW (as scottman indicates for commercial pulling)...you bet I'd pull with a 1200 Ft-Lb diesel...I just call that having the right tool for the job! Making a commercial vs recreational connection is one I never agree with...it is an apples to oranges comparison...many of us tow on the order of 2000-7000miles per year with our trucks...(some more but the most of us don't tow for a living is the point)...

Many have NEVER towed with a V10 yet profess to know how inadequate she is. Others simply don't understand that a single overhead cam engine is DESIGNED to REV...that's where she makes her power...it took me a little bit to figure her out too...I try many different things...many don't...but now that I have figured her out...MAN is she a beast! Just because a V10 is reving means nothing more than working where DESIGNED to make power...why is that a bad thing?

I usually don't participate in these banter posts...but for some reason the way I read your initial comment sounded odd to me...perhpas I read too much into your initial post and that's entirely possible...The whole point is that YOU made it sound like a V10 wouldn't pull a 7500# TT...and that simply is NOT true...I pull 9000#'s all over the country very effectively. Then you stated you get 15-17mpgs pulling a 10,000# trailer...and I just don't buy that.

As far as trying to discredit you...you are taking this way to seriously...the link I posted above was a post I had been participating in...so it fell in my lap...no trolling or searching needed...plus if I really wanted to find data...there's plenty to find...I only posted one example.

Also the V10 is NOT a perfect engine by any means...I never said it was...but it is a very effective tool for loads under 12,000#'s when properly geared (4.30's). That's all...you can disagree...that's okay.

BTW...Hopefully scottman and cptSD can make the Gatlinburg gala...I'd love to chat diesel v V10 around the campfire with you guys...it would be fun over a few beers!

To the OP...I too apologize for side tracking YOUR thread...Get the V10

Joe.

 

My post was not directed to anyone in particular just simple facts that I know of. Like the Ease of towing and lower running rpms of a diesel. THose are things that cannot be debated, they are fact, and those facts are why diesels are so great when it comes to towing and moving heavy loads.
Hemi my post had nothing to do with you, but you somehow sucked me into your last post.... No prob though, it's cool. I just posted what I did based on the ongoing V-10 vs. Diesel opinions that I always see. As bad as I would love to come to the big get together, there is no way I am driving that far from Phoenix! Maybe next time they can get together in the center of the US like Colorado.

Oh yeah back on subject: Um I would say that should get a V-10 or get a 6.0 Diesel.

 

scott,

We're cool...I always enjoy talking with you...please don't take my words as anything other than yours in that I see the commercial arguement used to compare RV towing benefits...and that's one I don't agree with...as I said apples to oranges IMO...

I do wish you and cptSD could come to Gatlinburg...it isn't that far and you guys get like 100mpgs with those PSD's don't you? (that WAS a JOKE!)

I'm heading to Williams Az in June for 3 nights...gonna see Sedona and Flagstaff first day there and then Grand Canyon on the train from Williams the second...then we'll pull up around the east side of the Canyon to Bryce for 3 nights to see Bryce and Zion and then pull to Arches for 2 nights and finally up and over the Rockies (OMG LOL) down into Denver...so I'll be in YOUR neck of the woods starting June 9th ish or so...

Joe.

 

All is well! Without your advice on hitch setups and towing I would still be swerving all over the roads while I was towing!

If I am in Sedona around that same time I will have to look you up somehow! ....Sedona is awesome! Last time I traveled across the country I happened to travel along with a cold front meeting warm air and had a freaking head wind of like 30mph and only got 6.7mpg towing that day?? I cannot imagine what a V-10 would have done?? I wish I got 100mpgs! I usually get somewhere between 10-13mpgs depending on terrain speed and wind of course! I try to drive no more than 65mph and sometimes hit 70 on the flats!

 

One of my favorite sayings I post in the forums is that WIND BLOWS!!!


I FIRMLY believe that wind resistance has MORE to do with mpg's than weight (well except for steep long grades where you have to HAUL the load UP the grade)...but most of our miles are relatively flat and if you are fighting headwinds tugging our BRICKS ... well mpg's DIVE quick!...and yes the V10 will dive quicker on those days...that is true! I normally drive the same speeds you do (too fast! LOL)

Check your schedule...I'll be in Sedona on June 9th if I remember correctly...let me know...I'd love to hook up and put face to words!

Joe.

 

Should I bring the Dmax or the Excursion??

 

The Dmax is much QUIETER...please be considerate of your neighbors...so bring that one!

 

I have found a few V10's with the 3.73. Will this still work, or should I hold out for the 4.30 rear end?

 

I was actully in your shoes 2 years ago when I was looking to upgrade from my 00 F150 (5.4, 4x4. 3.55).

I've run the numbers on this scenario many times over and I always come with the v10 has being the better financial choice. Right now diesel in my area is $0.75 more per gallon - My nieghbor has a '00 F250, 7.3 4x4 - compared to my 01 X, v10 4x4 - he gets 2 mpg more than I. That's empty! (and think of the empty weight difference)

When I bought my X 2.5 years ago, I paid $10k for it, the 7.3 I was looking at was $17k.

My v10, 3.73 combo gave me ~10 mpgs pulling my ~8700 TT from Charlotte, NC to Sandusky, OH this past summer. I77 up thru Fancy Gap, VA has several 7% grades that run for miles and I never ran out of power or pedal - in fact, I could easily gain speed while climbing and pass semi's.

IMHO - the v10 is a tried and true engine... rock solid with no major issues.

In the end, it has a lot to do with personal choice and perference. If you do go with the diesel, becareful - the 6.0 had a bunch of issues and the 6.4 is still green (who knows what will come up). For the 7.3 - it's a great engine, but if that turbo ever goes out, I hope you have some deep pockets.

 

The 3.73s will do the job - but you will be able to run more in OD with the 4.30s. If you look at the difference in the pulling abilities - I think the 4.30s will add like 500 more to the towing weight.

 

Those forged rod diesel motors are hard to beat in the Excursion. Only year is 2000 though.

V10's are good motors too. 6.0's? No comment.