DPF Delete Tuners
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DPF Delete Tuners
Is there such a thing already out there or coming out sooner than later?
I would like somthing that does everthing that a tuner does and gets rid of the DPF regens?
is there such a thing?? I would like to get something so I can make this truck sound like it should!! and get better MPG's
I would like somthing that does everthing that a tuner does and gets rid of the DPF regens?
is there such a thing?? I would like to get something so I can make this truck sound like it should!! and get better MPG's
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Originally Posted by Hollywood2005
Is there such a thing already out there or coming out sooner than later?
I would like somthing that does everthing that a tuner does and gets rid of the DPF regens?
is there such a thing?? I would like to get something so I can make this truck sound like it should!! and get better MPG's
I would like somthing that does everthing that a tuner does and gets rid of the DPF regens?
is there such a thing?? I would like to get something so I can make this truck sound like it should!! and get better MPG's
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I am very interested in your product and it sound like a good one but I was under theimpression after talking to you that I could NOT change my tire sizes, clear codes, watch temps, 1/4 mile times all that handy/fun stuff that you get with a tuner........
correct me if I am wrong but I would like to have all that stuff along with your DPF delete tunes
correct me if I am wrong but I would like to have all that stuff along with your DPF delete tunes
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I have a simple question about tuners in general and Matts in particular. Can I at will adjust the level of tune so that at times Im just basically a DPF delete and when I want to I can be more powerful. Is this at all an option, or do I just get one level and live with it ? Thanks
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I would be very worried these days if I were in the tuning business doing this sort of thing these days. The EPA had "talks" with several tuning companies at SEMA 2007, and they have started cracking down on companies who make products which defeat emissions devices. Took down the largest MIL eliminator company, for instance. Several companies were fined in 2007 and we can expect many more this year. The "offroad-use only" excuse doesn't fly with them any more, the EPA says if it has a VIN it is a vehicle intended for on-road use. Anyone selling DFP delete devices... I hope they have a rock solid umbrella insurance policy which covers this sort of thing! ($5000 - $50,000 fine per vehicle!) Yikes!
I was talking to a large tuner the other day, and there's some real worry floating around...
I was talking to a large tuner the other day, and there's some real worry floating around...
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Just don't advertise that you sell that! Next thing you know the EPA will be doing like the police around here, send underage girls in to liquor stores or gas stations to see if they get id'd! except the underage girls would be 20+ men usually looking for DPF delete tunes on the DL!
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Originally Posted by FTE Ken
I would be very worried these days if I were in the tuning business doing this sort of thing these days. The EPA had "talks" with several tuning companies at SEMA 2007, and they have started cracking down on companies who make products which defeat emissions devices. Took down the largest MIL eliminator company, for instance. Several companies were fined in 2007 and we can expect many more this year. The "offroad-use only" excuse doesn't fly with them any more, the EPA says if it has a VIN it is a vehicle intended for on-road use. Anyone selling DFP delete devices... I hope they have a rock solid umbrella insurance policy which covers this sort of thing! ($5000 - $50,000 fine per vehicle!) Yikes!
I was talking to a large tuner the other day, and there's some real worry floating around...
I was talking to a large tuner the other day, and there's some real worry floating around...
The law required iron clad, undiscriminating discription and evidence of what is, and what isn't off road uses. The area is entirely too vague and uncontrollable. Any decent defense lawyer worth his salt could tear that case apart in seconds.
What you have written would have to encompass every performance company in the entire world. Anybody producing racing parts would also be subject to your speculation.
Who's to say what is race, or off road? Who is to say that a DPF delete tuner isn't used for off road purposes?
The tuner manufacturer has ZERO worries.
The truck owner is caught on the road on the other hand, is in deep doo-doo.
There is absolutely no way the EPA can legally and undiscriminately enforce this, hence, they stand a snowballs chance in hell of shutting down the multi billion dollar aftermarket performance business.
Our country has spent almost 1 Trillion dollars on the Iraq war. I don't see tax dollars being spent on taking Gale Banks, or "John Q Public working guy" to court any time soon.
If indeed someone was walking around the SEMA show spouting horse cockca from his mouth like this, he certainly doesn't possess enough intelligence to be nothing more than an errand boy. Nobody, but nobody with a hint of legal intelligence issues silly, unbusinesslike, wild threats like that.
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Originally Posted by firstfordf25008
i like ur truck hollywood... and the 20's look alot better than the original 18's. im curious how much was ur truck and what did the dealer charge 4 the lift and wheels??
I paid 64K in Canada and that came with the 18's and lift..... I paid jsut over 4,200 for the 20's. They aren't the best pics but I will post better ones when the sun comes out
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Originally Posted by George C
Bull*****.
The law required iron clad, undiscriminating discription and evidence of what is, and what isn't off road uses. The area is entirely too vague and uncontrollable. Any decent defense lawyer worth his salt could tear that case apart in seconds.
The law required iron clad, undiscriminating discription and evidence of what is, and what isn't off road uses. The area is entirely too vague and uncontrollable. Any decent defense lawyer worth his salt could tear that case apart in seconds.
What you have written would have to encompass every performance company in the entire world. Anybody producing racing parts would also be subject to your speculation.
Who's to say what is race, or off road? Who is to say that a DPF delete tuner isn't used for off road purposes?
The tuner manufacturer has ZERO worries.
Who's to say what is race, or off road? Who is to say that a DPF delete tuner isn't used for off road purposes?
The tuner manufacturer has ZERO worries.
There is absolutely no way the EPA can legally and undiscriminately enforce this, hence, they stand a snowballs chance in hell of shutting down the multi billion dollar aftermarket performance business.
Our country has spent almost 1 Trillion dollars on the Iraq war. I don't see tax dollars being spent on taking Gale Banks, or "John Q Public working guy" to court any time soon.
If indeed someone was walking around the SEMA show spouting horse cockca from his mouth like this, he certainly doesn't possess enough intelligence to be nothing more than an errand boy. Nobody, but nobody with a hint of legal intelligence issues silly, unbusinesslike, wild threats like that.
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We can agree to disagree.
You, or "they" (whoever you are refering to) can say or think what you want, but I guarantee any decent counsel will get the judge to get that case tossed out before it reaches his calender.
There simply is no way to enforce a law that isn't intentionally or clearly broken. Banks for example, sells his stuff for off road only use. The liability is no longer his once the sale is complete as long as the product is labeled "off road use only". If the customer drives the nations highways with products expressly intended for off road use, then the customer is liable.
Until a law is passed saying that the world must now rid itself of tuners and modules, there is no clear and concise way to enforce it.
Shall Summit Racing Equipment, or Jegs now close their doors because they have catalogs stuffed full of off road racing products for sale?
Should Good Year Tire & rubber close it's doors because they sell racing tires that may fit your truck, but are intended for the track?
It's not the manufacturers that hold liability, it's the consumer.
Your O2 simulator example makes more sense only if the legal staff at that particular company was headed by a moron..
You, or "they" (whoever you are refering to) can say or think what you want, but I guarantee any decent counsel will get the judge to get that case tossed out before it reaches his calender.
There simply is no way to enforce a law that isn't intentionally or clearly broken. Banks for example, sells his stuff for off road only use. The liability is no longer his once the sale is complete as long as the product is labeled "off road use only". If the customer drives the nations highways with products expressly intended for off road use, then the customer is liable.
Until a law is passed saying that the world must now rid itself of tuners and modules, there is no clear and concise way to enforce it.
Shall Summit Racing Equipment, or Jegs now close their doors because they have catalogs stuffed full of off road racing products for sale?
Should Good Year Tire & rubber close it's doors because they sell racing tires that may fit your truck, but are intended for the track?
It's not the manufacturers that hold liability, it's the consumer.
Your O2 simulator example makes more sense only if the legal staff at that particular company was headed by a moron..
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Maybe members of all sites and makes with diesels should band together chip in and get our own lobbiest. We have the best reason to repeal the DPF...conservation, its what Govt has preached for years
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Originally Posted by FTE Ken
No, its not. Its a fact that the EPA has stepped up enforcement the past year, and several companies can testify to it. All they have to demostrate is the manufacture knowingly sells the parts for on-road applications.
I suppose the EPA met with several of them just for kicks?
They took down the biggest manufacturer of O2 simulators last year.
Its already started happening.
Don't get angry at the messenger. What I said is fact. The EPA is stepping up enforcement, whether you choose to believe it or not.
I suppose the EPA met with several of them just for kicks?
They took down the biggest manufacturer of O2 simulators last year.
Its already started happening.
Don't get angry at the messenger. What I said is fact. The EPA is stepping up enforcement, whether you choose to believe it or not.
It is designed, advertised, and oriented toward off-road race use, period. Increased fuel economy is a fact but I certainly don't advertise it as a legal one.
From a technical perspective, removing the boost based fuel limiters, EGR system(or pretty much any other crucial tables) on a 7.3 or 6.0 is a violation of the exact same laws and of the exact same degree. All are punishable by the exact same fines. It is all illegal- narrowing down DPF removal to being "worse" just isn't technically true.