Using one of those dealer parts number cd you see on ebay, I determined the crankshaft in my 330 HD, is the same as a 360, part number D3TZ 6303-B. Is that a 352 crankshaft? If so, it's the same internal and external displacement as a FE.

Meaning I can re-use that FT block into my 410 project.

Tyl

 

Yes the crank has a 3.50 stroke like the 330, 352 and 360. And yes you can use the block.

 

Can the 330 block really be bored out to a 360/390/410 bore?

3.88 to 4.05 - that's a .170" overbore just to get to stock.

 

I can't see why not. Thje 330 FT already uses a 360 FE crank, and many of the FT parts such as the water pump, alternator, carb, starter etc... as the 360/390. Thus the same internal and external, although the block has different part numbers.

Tyl

 

The parts catalog you are using = 1973/79 LIGHT Truck Parts Catalog.

The 330 engine listed there is the one Ford used in U-Haul F350's and F500's.

It's a 330 MEDIUM DUTY ENGINE...NOT A 330 HEAVY DUTY ENGINE.

The 330 M/D uses a different crankshaft than a 330 H/D does.

A 330 H/D does not use the same crank as a 360 / It uses the 361 crank.

330 M/D engines are related to 352/360's.

330 H/D engines are related to 361/391's.

 

A 330 H/D FT crank is not the same as a 360 FE engine crank...See my post above.

The parts catalog you are using was scanned from an early edition, and is full of errors.

My Genuine Ford 10/88 edition of the same catalog is on microfiche, it's not that CD BS.

The parts catalog clears states 330 Medium Duty..not 330 Heavy Duty.

A 330 H/D uses a 361 FT crank.

See my sig..I'm not BS'ing...35 years as a Ford partsman, so I know what the hell I'm talking about!

 

My apologies, I did not know the 360 had its own crank. I thought the 360 was a 352 crank. My '73 - '79 F-series parts cd has no mention of the 352, as it wwas produced earlier.

I would think the 330 MD and HD is the same block D3TZ 6010-B with some internal differences between both.

The cd only lists two crankshaft for the 330 MD, one of them being the 360 I assume was the HD version. C8TZ 6303-A and/or D3TZ 6303-B

According to my copy of U-haul 330 HD maintenance shop records. The motor mounts D4TZ 6028-B is the same as a '73 - '76 F100 - 350 2WD. Note the parts cd is from '73 to '79. So earlier engine as far back to '64 is the same.

The same records call this a pulley assembly D3TZ 6312-A Is that a crankshaft?

There's a lot from this engine that uses 390 parts, such as the rad, water pump, oil pump, gas pump etc...

Bill, soo many times, I have offered to copy and mail you the U-haul 330 HD records. I'll send it at work or your corner store if you don't want me to show up. I will copy and mail them to anyone interested. PM the address.

Tyl

 

Thanks Bill, I was going to say something about it being an MD instead of an HD, but thought better of it ...

Tyl, await a PM - I'd be interested in scanning them and putting them on the web

 

Here's what caught my attention. You are using the scanned CD of the 1973/79 Ford Light Truck Parts Catalog...and the only 330 engine that catalog lists is the 330 MEDIUM DUTY engine.

Take a look...the engine chart clearly states: 330 M/D.

I have three 1973/79 Ford Light Truck catalogs, all are on Genuine Ford microfiche slides, and they all say the same thing: 330 M/D.

A 330 Medium Duty Block is not the same as a 330 Heavy Duty block...it wasn't in 1964, it wasn't in 1978.

A 330 M/D block uses FE parts, but a 330 H/D block does not.

I do not have the 1973/79 Heavy truck parts catalog, where the 330 H/D engine parts are listed (I will have soon).

I do have the 1964/72 truck parts catalog, where all four engines (330 M/D; 330 H/D; 361; 391) are listed.

C4TZ-6008-D .. Engine Gasket Set = 330 M/D

C4TZ-6008-E .. Engine Gasket Set = 330H/D 361/391


C4TZ-6010-L .. 330 M/D Bare Block (1964/72)

C4TZ-6010-K .. 330 H/D Bare Block (1964/71)

D2TZ-6010-B .. 330 H/D Bare Block (1972)


C8TZ-6303-A .. 330 M/D & 360 Crankshaft (1964/72)

C4TZ-6303-F .. 330 H/D & 361 Crankshaft (1964/69)

D0TZ-6303-A .. 330 H/D & 361 Crankshaft (1970/72)


C4TZ-6312-F .. 330 M/D Harmonic Balancer (1964/72) marked: C4TE-6316-H or J.

C4TZ-6312-A .. 330 H/D & 361 & 391 Harmonic Balancer (1964/72) marked: C4TE-6316-A


C8AZ-6600-A .. Oil Pump 330 M/D 352/360/390

C9TZ-6600-A .. Oil Pump 330 H/D 361/391


D4TZ-8501-H .. Waterpump ~ 330 M/D 352/360/390

C4TZ-8501-G .. Waterpump ~ 330 H/D 361/391

In addition, the heads, pistons, rods, etc., are different between the two 330 engines.

If the 330 M/D engine from 1964/72 is a different engine from a 330 H/D engine, why would that be any different in 1973/78? It wouldn't.

The bottom line is: a 330 M/D engine is NOT the same as a 330 H/D engine.

1973/78 U-Haul F350's & F500's used 330 M/D engines, not 330 H/D engines.

 

The only thing different about the 330 M/D vs the 330 H/D is the crankshaft and the harmonic balancer. Everything else is the same stuff, block, heads, intake, etc. The last 330 I tore down, had thinner bore cores and could not be overbored to a 4.05" bore. This motor was pulled from a 1978 F600.

 

How could you say that?

The blocks are NOT the same, neither are the heads...lots of other stuff.

Look at my posts above where I referenced all those part numbers for blocks, oil pumps, gasket sets, waterpumps, etc.

The two engines share the same cubic inches, same bore and stroke, and little else.

The 330 M/D is related to the 352/360 FE engine.

The 330 H/D is related to the FT 361/391.

 

Bill, wher did you get those numbers from? I thought you just mentioned you didn't have any heavy duty truck part numbers.

I am so confused. I have read from previous posts that FE and FT engines are similiar in every aspect. The FT engines are made for heavier duty trucks which have larger forged crankshafts, the heads, exhaust manmifolds are different and are terrible for the trucks. They are designed for heavier loads, low compression which rob fuel mileage.

360 is the 361, the 390 is the 391, 330 is the 332?

I sincerely doubt the 330 HD had a different block of its own. Practically every part number I have from U-haul's 330 HD shop manual corresponds to the 330 MD. There is some differences, yes such as the bigger 361 crank, rods and main bearings. The 390 water pump D7HZ 8501-D. The 5 blade fan D9TZ 8600-A also 390? Dual thermostats D4TZ 8592-D. Engine governer 330/359 MD 25216-504. Larger water passages. An oil bath air cleaner. 12" clutch C8TZ 7550-A. Truck heads 29801-505.

Something I don't understand is I have three seperate part numbers for 3 different flywheels for engines. This is the only part it gives me three options;

Flywheel; C4TZ 6375-D (330 MD)
Flywheel; C4TZ 6375-E (330 HD)
Flywheel; C5AZ 6375-L (330 XD)

Tyl

 

Now you know where I got the part numbers from.

Tomorrow (Monday), I'm going to order the Ford microfiche slides of the 1973/79 Ford Heavy Truck Parts Catalog.

It should take about 10 days to get them, which btw, will cost me $110.00 + tax. (and keep in mind, that no one pays me a cent to type this scheiss on FTE, it's my party).
It's worth it to me....to prove my point, that the 1973/78 330 M/D is a DIFFERENT engine than the 330 H/D.

The two engines were different in 1964/72, so why would 1973/78 be any different?
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What engines did U-Haul use in 1973/78 F350's and F500's?

330 M/D engines...the engine that is listed in the 1973/79 Ford LIGHT truck Parts catalog.

The 1973/78 F350 U-Haul trucks were built special by Ford, instead of FE engines, they have 330 M/D FT engines. NO OTHER F350 ever had 330 M/D engine, only U-Haul used them.

You just aren't getting it...all you have to do is go back to POST #9 and look at the bare block part numbers I typed. There they are: DIFFERENT BLOCK part numbers!

U-Hauls "HD" Shop Manual makes a reference to 330 M/D engines...NOT 330 H/D engines...you are being mis-led by the abbreviation of "HD." That's U-Haul's terminology they used in their manual...it has NOTHING to do with a 330 H/D engine.

Why would U-Haul have a HD manual? Because U-Haul used other Ford vehicles, like Econolines and regular cab pickups. Those vehicles used either stock 240 or after 1975, 300 I-6's in both, or in some Econolines, 351W's. It's simple...those engines aren't HD engines, so a different manual was required.

And, to make matters worse...

Here's another thing that might be causing confusion...Ford made emission changes to the engines in the mid 1970's, and then a 361 FT became a 359 FT, the 391 became a 389 FT. I don't remember what Ford did to the TWO 330 engines.

 

You're STILL getting PART NUMBERS from a 30 year old book. I've actually taken these motors apart. They have the SAME BLOCKS, SAME HEADS (FT heads are not easily mistaken for FE heads) SAME EXTERNAL PARTS FOR BOTH. With,( as I said before, the crankshaft and harmonic balancer). Get your head out of those books and get your hand dirty taking these things apart. If you WERE actually a Ford parts man, you apparently weren't very good at it. You keep throwing parts numbers around, like they're bullets. Your shootin' blanks here.

 

And as for your claim the 361 was changed to a 359 and the 391 was changed to a 389, the 359 and 389 ARE the so-called M/D engines. It was simply Ford's way of distiguishing the different (but similar) engines. The 359 used the same cast iron FE 352/360 crank the M/D 330's did. Ditto for the 389, it's got an iron 390 crank in place of the steel FT crank. The balancers are different to allow the use of the FT timing covers with the smaller front snout of the FE cranks.