The only thing different about the FT blocks were they were picked for their thicker bore cores and they lack the distributor bushing needed for an FE distributor.

 

I'm getting parts numbers from a 30 year old book because the trucks are 30 years old.

Where else would you find 30 year old parts numbers for 30 year old trucks, from a crystal ball?

If the engines are the same as you say, why would Ford list different blocks and heads?

I never said the FE heads (1973/76 360/390 = D5TZ-6049-H) were same as FT heads (1973/78 330 MD = D6TZ-6049-A). The earlier examples are listed below.

1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog ~ 330/361/391 Engine Section 60.6

C4TZ-6010-L .. Cylinder Block - 330 MD ~ VIN engine codes: A (64/65); C (66/72)

C4TZ-6010-K .. Cylinder Block - 330 HD ~ VIN engine codes: M (64/65); D (66/72)

C4TZ-6049-D .. Cylinder Head - 330 MD

C4TZ-6049-E .. Cylinder Head - 330 HD/361

C8AZ-6049-M .. Cylinder Head - 1968/72 360/390

If the engines are the same, why would Ford have different VIN engine codes? Explain that...if you can.

I was an excellent Ford partsman, and got very well paid for it. If I wasn't disabled, I'd still be working.

Your problem, besides being stubborn is you were never a Ford partsman.

You don't have any Ford parts books, so who's shooting blanks here Kemosabe?

Uh....who's clueless?

 

It's all quite confusing, but I have faith in you, Bill

Some of the confusion is obvious if you step back a second.

U-Haul called the 330 it used an "HD" - Ford called it an "MD". Right there, you have half of the current confusion in this thread. The REAL 330HD was an FT with a steel crank. At least, that's what I've gathered from this conversation and others like it, plus my own resources (not very accurate, but interesting none-the-less).



The rest is, I gotta say, a pissing contest.

Back to the 330 and MD vs. HD. I went through my Motor's manual, which in no way is the final word on anything. BUT - I can say, looking at valve specs and such, which heads it may have had on it at certain times, based on valve angles, stem diameters, exhaust manifold torque, etc (FT engines have a much larger exhaust valve stem).

66-77 330MD - FE heads.
65-79 330HD - FT heads. Large exhaust valve stem.

359/389 - FT heads

The 330HD always had a steel crank, the 330MD a cast one - based on the fact that the damper torque spec is higher on the 330HD compared to the 330MD. The HD has the same torque spec as the 361/391, the 330MD the same as all the FE engines. So, this jives.

Even though the 330MD used a cast crank, it still has the same clearances as the steel crank engine, not the FE clearances. Same for 359/389

I can't find much for the 359/389, except that one year they spell out the torque spec for the 389 as the higher torque, so it has a large-nose crank.

Anyway... let's not have this turn into a name-calling contest.

It's very confusing.

 

I ordered a few minutes ago, the latest Ford parts catalog on microfiche slides for the HEAVY trucks (1973/79), and will have them by Thursday.

This catalog has ALL the FT engines listed: 330 MD-HD-XD & 361/391.

I have three editions (1st, 1981, and last-10/88) of the '73/79 LIGHT truck parts catalog on microfiche, but it only has 330 MD info in it.

I also have the 64/72 catalog where every engine Ford used in those years is listed.

 

I have both a 330 and a 360 the only difference I can tell you about is the hole in the block for the dist. is bigger on the 330.

 

Must be an MD

 

If this jazz goes on any longer...I'll need an MD...a Medical Doctor!

This entire thread is making me sick (and costing me more $$$)!

I'm sorry I ever responded to it!!

 

Oh hahha, Bill. It is pretty confusing, especially since I have this terrible weak, but big engine. A 330 is a big mistake engine, especially for use in any truck.

I would like to upgrade the engine by swapping it to a FE block. But the more we get into it, the more I figure my FT block is similiar and why not just put a new crank, rods and pistons in there to beef it up.

Art, the 330 MD was availlable to the public to commercial medium duty trucks. The 330 HD and XD is the same engine. Ford called it Heavy Duty HD, U-haul called it Extra Duty XD. The differences between both engines are listed above. The HD/XD is a U-haul exclusive engine. I have sent you the info today via the mail, should get it in a week or two.

Tyl

 

Post deleted in the interest of keeping peace and harmony here on FTE!

Thank you, Ken.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

Folks... let's just agree to disagree.

 

Pictured.

Paul Newman, Strother Martin and Luke Askew = Cool Hand Luke.

There are two 1940's White dump trucks and an circa 1947 Ford truck is this film, but AFAIK, none had a ___ engine!
There's also that buxom broad washing a 1941 Desoto Coupe. As original, the DeSoto had a 237 cid flathead 6 engine in it.

 

I do know the 361 391 engines had 3/8 sodium cooled exhaust valves. C700 and f 700 trucks were 361 and 391 engines. The 332 and 352 engines were introduced in the Edsel and entered the Ford passanger line in 1958. The 352 Police interceptor engine with solid lifters and a 4 barrel carb produced 300 hp. Not fast on take off but it would fly, except it was prone to overheat in traffic. The 361 was coupled with an Allison automatic in a c700 contract for the Postal service and was a very good reliable truck. kotzy

 

If you were ever a Ford parts man for that long, then why do you need these parts books you bought in west Texas to look all this up in ? The old time Ford parts guys here, know this stuff without looking in the books. The stuff you're printing out, can be done by a 12 year old kid. You may have the rest fooled with your stuff, but I had you pegged long ago. Nice try though.

 

Then, please, list all those part numbers off the top of YOUR head

 

Got my copy of the 'bible' today. Many of you refer to that Steve Christ book, as the 'bible'.

I ordered it via amazon about a month ago. Was thrilled to see they mention the 330 HD on the cover. No sure to what extinct. Hope it's not summarized in one phraze.

Tyl