What's unusual about this article is that it is headline news on AOL this morning. Which is not far behind the NY Slimes when it comes to being a left wing whacko operation.


http://news.aol.com/story/_a/climate-skeptics-seize-on-cold-spell/20080301190709990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

 

Sorry about this post. It is most likely in the wrong forum for sure. I am sure to get nailed for this.

 

I'll join in so the subscription will follow, most likely it will end up in the general discussion forum.
But to comment on this, I don't believe for a minute that mankind is causing the climate to warm or cool.
We are too small to make a dent in natures processes. One volcanic event spews out more pollution than mankind has in all of history and nothing comes of it.

 

Wish the "activists" would come help shovel some of this "global warming". I have used close to 150 gallons of diesel fuel in the tractor pushing snow from the farm drives and the church parking lot this winter, so far. Normally don't use 50.

 

It is fact that atmospheric CO2 is increasing, and no one can dispute that we are at least mostly responsible for it.

What the outcome of that increase will be is still debatable. It is also a fact that the media has greatly sensationalized one particular theory. The climate will change but that is nothing new or unique to mandkind.

 

I didn't know that about the volcano's pollution being more than all mankind's history of pollution. You got any proof to back that up? Not trying to start something here, I just want to use that info to back my/our side and if someone calls me on it I want to show them the source of the info. I've always agreed that we have no impact on the weather. My kids teachers are pushing the global warming thing at school and I am telling them my thoughts on it at home, so if they get a bad score on their test I'll just have to look the other way. I have always tried to do my part to keep America clean but after cleaning up after ourselves when we camp and not just throwing our trash out the truck window as we drive down the road I feel I've met most of my personal obligations. My son now sarcastically curses global warming while he is shoveling snow. I'm so glad he finally grew into that.

Do they still teach the ice age we had millions of years ago and that we will someday have another, like they tought when I was young? How does global warming fit into that theory?

 

If you take that poll on that link and believe in global warming you're going to find you are in the minority. How can a few odd ball scientist's and one idiot like Al Gore stir up so much controversy when we all know the earth is billions of years old and these idiot's are going to track about 100 years of weather and call it a dangerous trend? Mt. St. Helens did more damage to the climate in just a few days than we have in 100 years, but that is never mentioned.

 

Stroke me, I have seen what Kwik and Mark are saying but have had a hard time finding it in the past. There is a preponderance of "global warming friendly" site out there that clutter the google search. I have seen where the greenhouse gasses being emitted, even now, from Mt. St. Helens is still more than all the industries in the state of Washington. In other words, if Mt St. Helens was a factory, the Federal government would have shut it down long ago.

 

Volcanoes tend to emit a lot of sulfur dioxide (a global cooling gas) and ash which reflects sunlight as well as CO2, so their effect as far as the climate is usually neutral or cooling.

On Edit: Here's an article from the Seattle Times about it:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...olcano01m.html

From the article:

"Compared to man-made sources, though, volcanoes' contribution to climate change is minuscule, Gerlach said.

Mount St. Helens produces between 500 and 1,000 tons a day of carbon dioxide, he estimates.

Nothstein, of the state energy office, says the Centralia coal plant puts out about 28,000 tons a day. Statewide, automobiles, industries, and residential and business heating systems emit nearly 10 times that amount. "

 

How much did St Helens produce when it erupted. Prior to all this global warming scare I remember being told by a science prof in school about all the pollutants a volcano produces when it erupts. I dont remember the specifics, but if was something to the effect of the equiv of 100 years of the US industies.

I'm with Kwik on this! I think the key to the whole thing is the word theory. That is all it is.

Here in MT we have governor who is in lock step with Al Gore. As a result they have tightened up the emissions on Coal powerplants, which most would say that is good. The problem is the fed standards go to the limits that keep the Flyash (waste byproduct) usable in concrete. Our state in the name of global warming felt the need to tighten the fed reg and as a result make the flyash useless in concrete. Now you have powerplants that use to sell every drop of flyash produced that now have to dump it in a landfill as it is concidered hazardous waste. Makes absolutely no since to me! They go from a great process of utilizing the industrial waste to filling landfills, All in the name of global warming.

 

Time for that governor to go.

 

I agree!!

 

Yeah, the CO2 content of our atmosphere went from about 250 PARTS PER MILLION (ppm) before the Industrial Revolution to about 360 ppm today...that is 0.00036 of one percent or 36/100,000 thousandths of one percent!!!! I teach a college course in environmental studies and it takes all my effort to try to convince the students that carbon dioxide is one of the rarest gases in our atmosphere (nitrogen is about 780,000 ppm and oxygen is about 210,000 ppm). They have been brainwashed by the left throughout what passes for their "education" to believe that carbon dioxide is the dominant gaseous component of the atmosphere and these same "educators" gave them no education in reasoning and logic skills - let alone an ability to understand numbers.

Thank God for carbon dioxide or we wouldn't be here...necessary input ingredient for photosynthesis, the process which supports almost all living things (chemotrophs excluded) on earth. Plant growth has accelerated due to the increase in carbon dioxide...heck in my greenhouse I let plant materials rot to raise the CO2 level to stimulate growth.

The media has sensationalized this issue (as they did in the 1974 with the "global cooling" bull$%^& ( remember this: )?

Here's what Time wrote just 34 years ago.Here is a link to some really interesting weather anomalies stuff...quite interesting to throw at the global warming crazies.

 

Yes it is a "fact" that CO2 is rising, it is also a FACT that it has risen multiple times in history and if you watch the part about how they have done ice cores and show how it's higher now in history you, IF you are any sort of critical thinking person instead of a robot will realize the falacy of that particular argument. Not sure if I can articulate it in type but let me try, they argue that CO2 is rising and melting the ice packs right? Then they say it's higher then has been in history by core samples from those same ice packs, follow me so far? Ok rising CO2 will ALWAYS cause the top layers of those ice packs to melt and not add to them when the CO2 levels are high.. so are you starting to see yet? thats right every time the CO2 Levels reach a particular level the ice melts away, then doesn't start to rebuild until through natural design not anything man does the CO2 levels drop again then the ice starts to reform so there is no ice built when high CO2 so no ice will show elevated CO2 levels in history and even my 10 yr old grand daughter caught onto that when the teacher tried to shove Al Gore down there throats and left the teacher stumped, now if a 10 yr old without my prompting or even discussing this with her can see it, some please tell me WHY is this even still being discussed, it's so blatenly obvious even a child can see the fallacy.
Next the solar scientist know exactly what is causing global warming and have been trying to tell everyone for years but that isn't good for the political redistribution of wealth folks nor the global government agenda folks, or the people that are just trying to run a con job on people and make a fortune from it. It's the same thing that is causing global warming on mars (as measured by our own instruments in orbit around and on the surface) and as noticed by infra red pics of every planet in the solar system and that is the SUN, and last time I checked man couldn't control nor did he have any affect on the sun whatsoever. Do a little bit of research but the sun has been in a period of increased solar activity and flares for over 25yrs and is still in it to this day and is expected to be in it until around 2025 as I recall from memory, so whats going to happen when the "experts" get us to reduce CO2 around the planet then the sun cools down and we don't have that cushion to protect us and into another ice age we are plunged? Doesn't anyone think it's rather coincedental that the CO2 levels increase during a high solar activity time and are a global warming gas that would help keep the planet warm enough to support life when the sun goes into a cool period following that? Gee maybe nature knows something Al Gore doesn't.... Naw he is the smartest man on the planet.
Lastly in case no has bothered to look it up, the earth is still emerging from the last ice age, we still haven't reached what history as taken from core samples etc show to be the mean average temp, yes thats right we need to increase the global temp by over double what has increased so far in recorded history and the earth will still be less then the average temp in history.
Doesn't anyone think it's odd that according to archaeological digs, the climate in England during the days of Christ was equivalent to So Cal now? so IF man is causing global warming why is london colder then LA? maybe because around 1200ad there was a volcanic eruption of the Baitoushan volcano in China that is said to have caused a lot of "cooling" due to the ash in the atmosphere and that we are still coming out of even that to this day.

Is the globe warming? Yes. Is man have anything to do with it, or can man affect it? Not even a little bit. the only thing that this global warming will do is lighten your wallet and fatten the wallets of guys like Al Gore, it's all about power and money and nothing more.

 

nlemerise great post, thanks and rep points deserved and given.