Cajones' to pull?
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Cajones' to pull?
I'm looking at buying a '97 camry and need to tow it to get the engine out,Don't know how far. The car weighs 2,932 give or take. I have a 300-6 4.9L with a C6 tranny and 2.73 rear diff. on stock 15" wheels. Don't know on the ball hitch on the bumper. Pretty sure it is class 3. If the info I read was correct,the GVWR is around 5,450. Which is Ok because worst case senerio (sp?) I would need to put both on at the same time. My '96 the engine is going into.
Where can I find a calculator for this to get more acurate information?
Thanks.
Where can I find a calculator for this to get more acurate information?
Thanks.
Last edited by Cruiseomatic; Feb 28, 2008 at 07:16 AM. Reason: Added information.
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The weak link in that whole setup is the 2.73 rear ratio. The 300 I6 is a good puller, the C6 is a good tranny of its day, but by the time you put a 3000 lb car on a 2000 lb (or heavier) trailer, I think you'll find you have a tough time pulling. If it were just a short drive on rural roads in a flat part of the country, you might be able to do it, but I wouldn't want to drive that rig in stop and go or for long distance.
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I have a I-6 E4OD w/ 3.08 open rear.
I pulled a 4000# car on a u-haul dolly, and the starts were a pain in the rear (pun intended) I towed with the od off for a 150 miles, once I got on the interstate I went 55mph-it seemed much easier over 30mph although...
Does anyone think I hurt anything?
I pulled a 4000# car on a u-haul dolly, and the starts were a pain in the rear (pun intended) I towed with the od off for a 150 miles, once I got on the interstate I went 55mph-it seemed much easier over 30mph although...
Does anyone think I hurt anything?
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Officially, the official tow rating for this set up is 0 pounds. In other words, not recommended for towing.
The 3.08 gear is only recommended for 2,200 lbs. The car on a two-wheel car dolly from U-haul would put you just shy of 3,500 lbs. The 4.9L and C6 are more than enough power, but the 2.73 rear end is killing you.
If it were me (and this is not my recommendation, just what I would do in this situation), I would put the car on a two-wheel dolly from U-Haul and go. But I would only do this if the drive were short (less than 100 miles) and the terrain was fairly flat. I would be very easy when taking off and not floor it. I'd give myself plenty of time to stop.
That's what I would do.
Should you decide to do likewise, be careful. Too much and the gear will fail. The 2.73 is rated for about 5,000 lbs which is just enough to push the truck down the road.
The 3.08 gear is only recommended for 2,200 lbs. The car on a two-wheel car dolly from U-haul would put you just shy of 3,500 lbs. The 4.9L and C6 are more than enough power, but the 2.73 rear end is killing you.
If it were me (and this is not my recommendation, just what I would do in this situation), I would put the car on a two-wheel dolly from U-Haul and go. But I would only do this if the drive were short (less than 100 miles) and the terrain was fairly flat. I would be very easy when taking off and not floor it. I'd give myself plenty of time to stop.
That's what I would do.
Should you decide to do likewise, be careful. Too much and the gear will fail. The 2.73 is rated for about 5,000 lbs which is just enough to push the truck down the road.
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Chewie has good advice. If it's a short distance over mostly flat ground you'll be fine, just give it plenty of time to start and stop.
If this is something you'll be doing fairly often, you need lower gears. 2.73 is a car ratio, I have no idea what Ford was thinking putting it in a truck.
If this is something you'll be doing fairly often, you need lower gears. 2.73 is a car ratio, I have no idea what Ford was thinking putting it in a truck.
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I think my 3.08 is a little too low, it should have only came as a option.
The 3.27 should have been standard at least, just my opinion...
The 3.27 should have been standard at least, just my opinion...
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I found this on ebay,Would it work in my rear diff? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ford-...spagenameZWDVW
I'm just a little sceptical about it,it is starting out at 20 bux. If it does work and I get it,what else would I need to sucessfuly install it?
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I'm just a little sceptical about it,it is starting out at 20 bux. If it does work and I get it,what else would I need to sucessfuly install it?
Thanks.
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If the Mustang was a 86 to a 05, they should work. There is a compatability chart here....
http://www.ringpinion.com/DiffDetails.aspx?DiffID=28&PartsLink=PartCats.aspx %3fSearchMode%3dMake%26MakeID%3d2%26MakeName%3dFor d%2b%252f%2bLincoln%2b%252f%2bMercury%26ModelID%3d 253%26ModelName%3dF150%26Side%3dRear%26DiffID%3d28 %26DiffName%3dFord%2b8.8
You would need an install kit/set:
http://www.ringpinion.com/PartsList.aspx?SearchMode=Make&MakeID=2&MakeName=F ord+%2f+Lincoln+%2f+Mercury&ModelID=253&ModelName= F150&Side=Rear&DiffID=28&DiffName=Ford+8.8&CatID=6 &CatName=Installation+Kits&CatType=Sub-Differential
Hope that helps..but if you have never done a setup like that before, I don't advise going it alone.
May be better/easier/cheaper in the long run to try and chase a complete one down at a salvage yard with the gears you want.
http://www.ringpinion.com/DiffDetails.aspx?DiffID=28&PartsLink=PartCats.aspx %3fSearchMode%3dMake%26MakeID%3d2%26MakeName%3dFor d%2b%252f%2bLincoln%2b%252f%2bMercury%26ModelID%3d 253%26ModelName%3dF150%26Side%3dRear%26DiffID%3d28 %26DiffName%3dFord%2b8.8
You would need an install kit/set:
http://www.ringpinion.com/PartsList.aspx?SearchMode=Make&MakeID=2&MakeName=F ord+%2f+Lincoln+%2f+Mercury&ModelID=253&ModelName= F150&Side=Rear&DiffID=28&DiffName=Ford+8.8&CatID=6 &CatName=Installation+Kits&CatType=Sub-Differential
Hope that helps..but if you have never done a setup like that before, I don't advise going it alone.
May be better/easier/cheaper in the long run to try and chase a complete one down at a salvage yard with the gears you want.
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swapping gears is not an easy thing for a first timer, but can be done if your mechanically inclined and do your research first.
I'm with BChance...hunt down a complete axle with the gears you want and make the swap. Instead of the 3.27, look for a 3.55 as it'll give you 5,000+ lbs of tow rating. It probably won't be cheaper, but it will be a lot easier. There's lots of information available on the web that can guide you through a swap if you're so inclined.
swapping gears is not an easy thing for a first timer, but can be done if your mechanically inclined and do your research first.
I'm with BChance...hunt down a complete axle with the gears you want and make the swap. Instead of the 3.27, look for a 3.55 as it'll give you 5,000+ lbs of tow rating. It probably won't be cheaper, but it will be a lot easier. There's lots of information available on the web that can guide you through a swap if you're so inclined.
Originally Posted by BChance
If the Mustang was a 86 to a 05, they should work. There is a compatability chart here....
http://www.ringpinion.com/DiffDetails.aspx?DiffID=28&PartsLink=PartCats.aspx %3fSearchMode%3dMake%26MakeID%3d2%26MakeName%3dFor d%2b%252f%2bLincoln%2b%252f%2bMercury%26ModelID%3d 253%26ModelName%3dF150%26Side%3dRear%26DiffID%3d28 %26DiffName%3dFord%2b8.8
You would need an install kit/set:
http://www.ringpinion.com/PartsList.aspx?SearchMode=Make&MakeID=2&MakeName=F ord+%2f+Lincoln+%2f+Mercury&ModelID=253&ModelName= F150&Side=Rear&DiffID=28&DiffName=Ford+8.8&CatID=6 &CatName=Installation+Kits&CatType=Sub-Differential
Hope that helps..but if you have never done a setup like that before, I don't advise going it alone.
May be better/easier/cheaper in the long run to try and chase a complete one down at a salvage yard with the gears you want.
http://www.ringpinion.com/DiffDetails.aspx?DiffID=28&PartsLink=PartCats.aspx %3fSearchMode%3dMake%26MakeID%3d2%26MakeName%3dFor d%2b%252f%2bLincoln%2b%252f%2bMercury%26ModelID%3d 253%26ModelName%3dF150%26Side%3dRear%26DiffID%3d28 %26DiffName%3dFord%2b8.8
You would need an install kit/set:
http://www.ringpinion.com/PartsList.aspx?SearchMode=Make&MakeID=2&MakeName=F ord+%2f+Lincoln+%2f+Mercury&ModelID=253&ModelName= F150&Side=Rear&DiffID=28&DiffName=Ford+8.8&CatID=6 &CatName=Installation+Kits&CatType=Sub-Differential
Hope that helps..but if you have never done a setup like that before, I don't advise going it alone.
May be better/easier/cheaper in the long run to try and chase a complete one down at a salvage yard with the gears you want.