Seperation Imminent, Divorce???
Be sure to keep a watchful eye on the depression. This is a really tough time for all men going through it, don't let it trigger the beast. You got someone to see? In your place, I'd make use of any support resources you've got. Don't let this be the start of a replay of the old spiral down. And try to keep away from the booze - just makes things worse.
Other than that, I'm afraid these guys have good advice on the practical front - walk softly and carry a big stick. That is, be nice, be even magnanomous, but at the same time prepare to defend yourself. Consult a lawyer right away.
all these guys have good advise, your son is 21, different from explaining to a 12 year old on what happened, making sure hes all good is important
I am also one of the experienced members..
When we divorced after 14 years, I couldn't believe the things she was saying..
She tried to stick me with money issues saying I spent the money..
To make a long story short I had everything documented and that saved my bacon..
It is good that your son is grown.. He will handle it just fine..
My youngest was 2 years old when we split..
Everyone has given good advice ecspecially blue oval ranger..
I would like to add that when she does move out you need to imediately change all the locks... I had a friend that didn't and after a week she came back and was able to boot him out.. Even though she wanted the breakup..
Stay strong... Everything will work out better for you in the long run.
It happened to me to the tune of $23,000 in credit card debt.
I wanted to kill her but didn't and ended up working my butt off to pay the debt down. It's all gone now and I have met someone that truly does care about me.
There is life after divorce.
Again, sorry this is happening to you. Hang in there.
Lastly, don't be surprised when she asks for (and gets) 1/2 of your retirement and any Social Security pension that you are entitled to, up to the point of divorce decree.
She won't be entitled to any part of it that you earned before the marriage, but, she WILL be entitled to 1/2 of it, after the wedding vows were spoken.
(Protect your retirement benefits IN WRITING in any settlement agreement.
A good friend of mine went through a divorce, and when he turned 55, his ex-wife started drawing 1/2 of his pension, and he couldn't afford to retire! He wound up dieing on the job!)
Stay strong.
I did not see this before, probably because my BP was climbing from deja vu.
There are laws that would entitle her to this money. Make absolute sure she signs off on this.
I would like to add that when she does move out you need to imediately change all the locks... .
one of my best freinds Who was going to marry my beyotch of a SIL (had small prob of keeping other guys out of her pants) caught her stealing the sheets of the made bed......
needless to say, locks were immediatly changed, her crap was bagged up and set by the curb. Her and her homewrecker came and picked it up that night
http://www.aarp.org/money/wise_consu..._id_theft.html
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I would just hope you have a great pastor and to keep talking to him and avoid drinking when depressed. If she has already moved out and "found" herself in Vegas I would say more went on then you want to know about and you should leave it that way.
I would split on friendly terms either way and avoid making it nasty. Though I would put a fraud alert on my credit for the meantime until the divorce is final. It would not be a bad time to photograph everything in the house you are giving her either. Do a binary backup (copy hd to hd) of the the computers in the house and keep the HDs in your new bank box. Or keep the original HD in your bank box instead.
I won't get into the nasty specifics of my divorce (from wife #1.)
But, IF you have joint bank accounts, what you remove before a separation agreement, you keep. (Trust me, she will take what she can get!)
Keep this as CASH and do not open another account until you have a separation agreement. IF you have another account, she can ask for 1/2 of it.
IF you have a savings account, remove ALL but a few dollars of that, too.
Believe me. . . . your wife will access these accounts, IF her name is on them. Been there. Done that.
Cash is easily hidden or 'stashed' away.
Also, if you have any joint credit cards, close the account NOW and write (don't call) the CC company, and let them know that you will NOT be responsible for ANY portion of the debt that was incurred by your wife!
(Or, you can write the CC company and state that you will NOT be held responsible for, nor will you pay ANY portion of the balance!)
Trust me on this. . . . this is to protect YOU.
(My first wife ran a credit card up to $10,000.00 and closed the account and told them that she wasn't going to be held responsible. Guess who had to pay for HER new furniture!?!?!?!) That's right. Me.
In Maryland, we have what is called 'Family Use Community Property'.
What you acquired together is 'open season' on who removes it from the family home, first.
I understand how hard it is to end a marriage after you spend your life building, but, your wife has a 'support group' with her 'new room-mate'.
I'm not a betting man, but, your quote (above) just said who her support group is. (Or possible other relationship!) Don't be surprised, is all I'm sayin'.
Lastly, don't be surprised when she asks for (and gets) 1/2 of your retirement and any Social Security pension that you are entitled to, up to the point of divorce decree.
She won't be entitled to any part of it that you earned before the marriage, but, she WILL be entitled to 1/2 of it, after the wedding vows were spoken.
(Protect your retirement benefits IN WRITING in any settlement agreement.
A good friend of mine went through a divorce, and when he turned 55, his ex-wife started drawing 1/2 of his pension, and he couldn't afford to retire! He wound up dieing on the job!)
Stay strong.
I'm sorry this happened to you, but if it's over it's over. Cut her off. Get everything in writing. Try to take as much stuff as posible and stash it somewhere. Empty the bank accounts into something green and spendable and stash that somewhere. Sell any vehicles you can to a good (really good) friend for a buck and buy them back for a buck later.
Basicly when you get to court, have nothing to give.
Mike
So far I have only told one friend of ours. Not sure who she has told. I may go to a Small Group Bible Study Friday night from church and let them know since they all know us. Sadly, there are those who will catch wind of a rumor and it will go hog wild within no time a'tall.
I'm not one to drown my sorrows in booze even though I do enjoy a cold and frosty every once in a while. I certainly am having to make myself get off my butt and do things though, which reminds me, I need to git going to school. Thanks again for all the advice and the doctorin, it means the world...
Rich
I really hope it does.
I would not do anything to cause waves. I know it is easier to say it when it isn't myself that it is happening to, but, I would do everything possible including eating my pride and hurt to make it a quick and easy disconnect and get on with my life.
I tried to keep a married couple together when the other person wanted their "space" and wanted to "expand". It was just fruitless, it was more like he wanted to be justified for the harm he caused.
He cheated on her on a trip with someone he met on the Internet. The wife still loved him and she still wanted to keep him, but, he refused to talk about it with anyone with marriage counseling and I was the last hope because I offered to try to help when he told me what he did (she caught him cheating by accident with umm... electronic evidence sent to him by e-mail).
He thought so much of himself and so little of her, he wouldn't even look at her while we were sitting at the table.
Spent his time doing chores around the table with his back to his wife. He would not look in her face and say he was sorry or even that he loved her. It was all about him and the wrongs she did to him. All he really cared about was where he would live, how he would make money, etc.
So, through tears she said she wanted him gone.
What I suggested was he move out to an apartment (since she did not want him in the house) and for her (she was a successful business woman) to give him a few thousand dollars so he could freely move out and for her to be done with it. Instead of fighting over minor ( I called $2-$3000 cash minor) stuff and for her to be done with the conflict. So, she did and he did.
imho, There really is nothing you can do and in the Bible, Paul pretty much says when one member wants to leave, for people to just move on, if it is not possible to stay together. When that happens, take the lead to make it as painless as possible.
On a bright spot, I know someone who kept forgiving his wife for her unfaithfulness. Finally he got fed up (he was a pastor with a great tolerance level), tossed her out, gave her the car, some money and kept his kid, and told her to go back to her boyfriend she wanted so badly.
After a year or so, she begged to come back, they ended up getting married again a year later and as far as I know, everything has been fine since. It probably would have been different if it had been bitter.
So, if you still love her, even though it wasn't the best marriage, I would not do anything to burn any bridges.
It really sounds like you are keeping a level head through all of this. Personally, I feel that once you have a kid with someone you are married to that person for LIFE! How can you do right by your son if his mother is in desperate need and you won't or can't do anything for her: at this point if you don't care about her at all personally but you still have to realize and admit that this is YOUR son's mother! And how can you be in a decent place to do ANYTHING for anybody, if you are not taking care of yourself first? If you cannot protect your own self and your own assets how can you protect those of the people you care about? What I am saying is that you need to follow the sage advice of our other friends here about protecting yourself financially and legally, BUT not out of spite!! Rather out of true compassion for yourself, your son, and his mother, becuase it really sounds like you are the one in your family who can and does the taking care of.
So I agree with all of the others-which is to say that you should take care of yourself first. Stick up for yourself and your rights. What happens if your son wrongfully gets popped for something, and you can't buy him legal help because you have signed over half of whatever you have? Who are you doing a favor to then? Once you are a parent you are a parent for life. If you do really get divorced, instead of just seperating for awhile, you will have no control over what your wife does with your, I mean her, money! Of course she loves and cares about her son! But, many women- nothing personal ladies, don't realize all that it takes to keep the homestead running and end up loosing all of the wealth they got in the "divorce."
Hey, don't know when your pastor if available--but there are people available here for you probably around the clock! --wish I had the pleasure of logging on at work like some of you!!
Keep your chin up!
1. Decide what YOU want
2. Get a life - do the things you want to do.
3. Consult a lawyer about your rights (usually first consultation is free)
4. Keep the lines of communication open but do not chase her. NO BEGGING
5. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst
6. Remake yourself into the man you were when you got married. Even if it doesn't attract your wife back it will attract another. Don't do this for her, do it for yourself. Even if you move on, someday your ex will look at you and wonder if she made a mistake. That's the payback.
Hope this helps. Hang in there, it does get better eventually
Brett









