Aussie Heads?
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Aussie Heads?
That's correct, the good heads are for the Aussie 302C. Also, if Brian S posts something about Aussie heads and motors, he should know, the guy has 3 Aussie Falcons and God only knows how many Aussie Clevo parts! LOL!
BTW, if you want heads from Cam and you live near Florida, I'm the guy that will receive all of those heads from the shipping company. I AM NOT SELLING ANY OF THESE, THESE HEADS ARE ALREADY SOLD WHEN THEY GET HERE! I plan to send those out to the customers at the least expensive rate that I can get....so, it may be FedEx or USPS or UPS or RPS or whomever. Cam is really trying to keep the costs down that is why we are shipping the heads in a container with my car...one shipping fee divided over the cost of a car and several dozen sets of heads.
DO NOT contact me for a set of heads! I'm not selling anything, I'm just passing the heads along to the people that have bought them. I'm being paid in beer. ALSO, FTE, I'm NOT trying to sell these heads so please don't delete this post. I'm just letting the listers know that I'm a lister also and I have no dog in this hunt except to help get some heads into the market for a much lower cost than some of these clowns that are charging BIG bucks for run-of-the-mill Aussie heads. That's right, cheap run-of-the-mill 302C heads are about US$25 each down there! But the cleaning, mag'ing, and shipping are a bitch!
--J
BTW, if you want heads from Cam and you live near Florida, I'm the guy that will receive all of those heads from the shipping company. I AM NOT SELLING ANY OF THESE, THESE HEADS ARE ALREADY SOLD WHEN THEY GET HERE! I plan to send those out to the customers at the least expensive rate that I can get....so, it may be FedEx or USPS or UPS or RPS or whomever. Cam is really trying to keep the costs down that is why we are shipping the heads in a container with my car...one shipping fee divided over the cost of a car and several dozen sets of heads.
DO NOT contact me for a set of heads! I'm not selling anything, I'm just passing the heads along to the people that have bought them. I'm being paid in beer. ALSO, FTE, I'm NOT trying to sell these heads so please don't delete this post. I'm just letting the listers know that I'm a lister also and I have no dog in this hunt except to help get some heads into the market for a much lower cost than some of these clowns that are charging BIG bucks for run-of-the-mill Aussie heads. That's right, cheap run-of-the-mill 302C heads are about US$25 each down there! But the cleaning, mag'ing, and shipping are a bitch!
--J
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From: Eustis FL
Aussie Heads?
You are at the receiving end of Manewell's heads??? That is a cool coincidence! I guess then I can trust you two when I am ready to buy a set? 
What car you got coming? I am also a car buff: I gave a 1971 Torino GT with 351C 4V quench heads, completely stock. I'm a member of the MSN and Yahoo Torino clubs, where we always talk about Aussie Falcons!
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What car you got coming? I am also a car buff: I gave a 1971 Torino GT with 351C 4V quench heads, completely stock. I'm a member of the MSN and Yahoo Torino clubs, where we always talk about Aussie Falcons!
Mark
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From: Sin City, USA
Aussie Heads?
If you want a set, call Cam, don't call me....I can't get the heads any easier than any other American. Once my car gets here and I have shipped out the heads for Cam, I'm out of the import game. Also, you had better call him before September or your heads will miss the boat....literally.
I have a 1973 XA Falcon GS with a 351C and a toploader. Can't wait to get it here. Bought the car in May and should receive it in November or December. I was on a lot of message boards but now I only hit this one, the 351C Forum, and FoMoCo Main Board. Most of the Aussie Falcon boards tend to lean towards the Mad Max Movie crowd. I like the movie but I prefer the Falcon muscle car over the Falcon movie prop.
--J
I have a 1973 XA Falcon GS with a 351C and a toploader. Can't wait to get it here. Bought the car in May and should receive it in November or December. I was on a lot of message boards but now I only hit this one, the 351C Forum, and FoMoCo Main Board. Most of the Aussie Falcon boards tend to lean towards the Mad Max Movie crowd. I like the movie but I prefer the Falcon muscle car over the Falcon movie prop.
--J
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You'll find out how addicting the Falcons are after you get the XA.
15-20% of the US owners bought a 2nd Falcon within a couple years of their first car. They draw a lot of attention, especially the MM replicas. A replica owner in New York had 11 cars follow him home one time. It's like a rolling Circus.
Jason,I'm sure you've been busy with moving and the new family. Check in with the Suspension forum when you have a chance. The posts are dying.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/204206
I found some good prices on 240 rods. $80 for 8. For those who are building a cheap 400 stroker.
http://www.dscmotorsport.com/about.htm
V3 heads are coming down a little in price. 2799 AU$, 1550 US$
http://www.vpwmailorder.com/ieframeset.html
15-20% of the US owners bought a 2nd Falcon within a couple years of their first car. They draw a lot of attention, especially the MM replicas. A replica owner in New York had 11 cars follow him home one time. It's like a rolling Circus.
Jason,I'm sure you've been busy with moving and the new family. Check in with the Suspension forum when you have a chance. The posts are dying.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/204206
I found some good prices on 240 rods. $80 for 8. For those who are building a cheap 400 stroker.
http://www.dscmotorsport.com/about.htm
V3 heads are coming down a little in price. 2799 AU$, 1550 US$
http://www.vpwmailorder.com/ieframeset.html
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Aussie Heads?
There is still some confusion about exactly what heads were sold with what motors, and when, in Australia. Hopefully this will clear it up:
In 1970/1971, Ford Australia imported complete (assembled) 351C motors from the US, the 300hp closed chamber standard 4v motor and the 250hp (claimed) 2v motor. These motors were exactly the same as those which could be specified for vehicles such as the Torino or Mustang in the US.
Starting from 1972 (or rather, late '71), Ford added the 302C motor to this lineup. The 302C at this stage consisted of an imported US block and locally made crank, rods, and heads (these are the high compression, 2v 'aussie' heads). To this lineup was added in 1973 a 4bbl, 2v motor (using 2v open chamber US-style heads and a locally made 4bbl dual plane intake) claimed to give an output of 290hp, offered as standard only in LTD and Landau models (the true output was nowhere near this much). This lineup continued until 1976 when the 4v motor (the only one to utilise 4v cleveland heads and only available in the Falcon GT model) was no longer offered and the 2v 4bbl motor started to be refered to as a '4v' motor by Ford (a clever marketing ploy to fool buyers into thinking they were getting the *real* 4v motors which were made famous by the GT Falcon.
One side note at this point; at the start of 1975 (as far as I can deduce - I could be a little off) the 4v 300hp 4v 351 motor (identical to what was offered in the US in 1970) started to be fitted with the open chamber low compression 4v heads, as opposed to the earlier design 'quench '4v heads. These low compression 4v heads were imported from the US and identical to those sold in the US.
So, until the beginning of 1979 there were three different cleveland motors available in Australian Falcons, Fairlanes and LTDs. These were the 2v 351C fitted with low compression, US-style 2v cleveland heads and a locally made 4bbl 2v intake and 4bbl carb, the 2v 351C fitted with low compression, US-style 2v cleveland heads, 2bbl 2v intake and 2bbl carb, and the 302C fitted with high compression, locally made 'Aussie' 2v heads and 2bbl intake and carb. At some stage the 2v 351C with 2bbl intake and carb was phased out, but I am not exactly sure when.
Starting in 1979 and continuing thru to late 1982/early 1983, there were two versions of the cleveland offered. These were the previously mentioned 351C with 2v open chamber low compression heads and 4bbl intake and carb, and a 302C fitted with high compression 2v 'Aussie' heads and the same 4bbl 2v intake as used on the 351C. These motors were rated at 200hp and ~180hp at the flywheel by Ford.
The 302C engine was quite popular here as it was the only engine of that displacement sold in Australia by Ford from 1972 to 1983. Previous to that we only got windsor engines in that displacement class (if you bought a Falcon in 1969/early 1970 you could get either a 2v 302W or a 4v 351W; in late 1970/1971 you could get either a 2v 302W, a 2v 351C or a 4v 351C. From 72 onwards all 302 motors were of the cleveland type).
Hope that helps!
In 1970/1971, Ford Australia imported complete (assembled) 351C motors from the US, the 300hp closed chamber standard 4v motor and the 250hp (claimed) 2v motor. These motors were exactly the same as those which could be specified for vehicles such as the Torino or Mustang in the US.
Starting from 1972 (or rather, late '71), Ford added the 302C motor to this lineup. The 302C at this stage consisted of an imported US block and locally made crank, rods, and heads (these are the high compression, 2v 'aussie' heads). To this lineup was added in 1973 a 4bbl, 2v motor (using 2v open chamber US-style heads and a locally made 4bbl dual plane intake) claimed to give an output of 290hp, offered as standard only in LTD and Landau models (the true output was nowhere near this much). This lineup continued until 1976 when the 4v motor (the only one to utilise 4v cleveland heads and only available in the Falcon GT model) was no longer offered and the 2v 4bbl motor started to be refered to as a '4v' motor by Ford (a clever marketing ploy to fool buyers into thinking they were getting the *real* 4v motors which were made famous by the GT Falcon.
One side note at this point; at the start of 1975 (as far as I can deduce - I could be a little off) the 4v 300hp 4v 351 motor (identical to what was offered in the US in 1970) started to be fitted with the open chamber low compression 4v heads, as opposed to the earlier design 'quench '4v heads. These low compression 4v heads were imported from the US and identical to those sold in the US.
So, until the beginning of 1979 there were three different cleveland motors available in Australian Falcons, Fairlanes and LTDs. These were the 2v 351C fitted with low compression, US-style 2v cleveland heads and a locally made 4bbl 2v intake and 4bbl carb, the 2v 351C fitted with low compression, US-style 2v cleveland heads, 2bbl 2v intake and 2bbl carb, and the 302C fitted with high compression, locally made 'Aussie' 2v heads and 2bbl intake and carb. At some stage the 2v 351C with 2bbl intake and carb was phased out, but I am not exactly sure when.
Starting in 1979 and continuing thru to late 1982/early 1983, there were two versions of the cleveland offered. These were the previously mentioned 351C with 2v open chamber low compression heads and 4bbl intake and carb, and a 302C fitted with high compression 2v 'Aussie' heads and the same 4bbl 2v intake as used on the 351C. These motors were rated at 200hp and ~180hp at the flywheel by Ford.
The 302C engine was quite popular here as it was the only engine of that displacement sold in Australia by Ford from 1972 to 1983. Previous to that we only got windsor engines in that displacement class (if you bought a Falcon in 1969/early 1970 you could get either a 2v 302W or a 4v 351W; in late 1970/1971 you could get either a 2v 302W, a 2v 351C or a 4v 351C. From 72 onwards all 302 motors were of the cleveland type).
Hope that helps!
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Aussie Heads?
Nice info! So, what we all want for our 351 Clevelands is the 2V 302C high compression heads?
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From: space city
Aussie Heads?
it would be NICE to put them on a 400, to allow higher compression than open chambers will tolerate, but there aren't any quench pistons for a 400. i've been looking into this, and what i've found is summarized in these 2 threads:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID12/1058.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID12/1056.html
since there MIGHT be a solution to this problem
(besides buying cu$tom pi$ton$), please take a look
and get involved, if this looks like something that
might benefit you as a gearhead or a parts supplier...
https://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID12/1058.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID12/1056.html
since there MIGHT be a solution to this problem
(besides buying cu$tom pi$ton$), please take a look
and get involved, if this looks like something that
might benefit you as a gearhead or a parts supplier...
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From: Eustis FL
Aussie Heads?
I didn't look at the links yet, but I know you can use 351C pistons in a 400 anyway. It is just a matter of bushing the rods to accept the smaller 351C piston pins. Then you have a great selection of pistons to choose from!
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From: space city
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you can use them, but the pistons don't come all the way up in the bore. this is GOOD for open-chamber heads, because it cuts the compression ratio down quite a bit. otherwise, the 400 makes a lot more compression than a 351 - maybe that's why they made them that way. but to run 10.5 or 11:1, you need quench. and to get quench in a 400, you need a taller piston than a 351c piston, and then a reverse-dome to get back down to something that will run on 93 octane at sea level.
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Yeah, so I read... I have read many pro engine articles about making pistons from slugs... If you had the equipment, then making a piston that matches a quench chamber shape would be ideal! This may happen someday, as performance manufacturers notice the rise of the 400 block... Or they could at least make a head to do a simple head swap with stock pistons that will produce the desired compression ratio!Ok, I'm dreaming now... LOL!
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From: space city
Aussie Heads?
well the KB "d-cup" piston would be ideal for an 11:1 motor, if the pin was just a bit lower!
i'm not giving up! if i can't get a set at a decent price, i'll either cut the deck down, or... i dunno what i'll do - but i WILL have my 11:1 quench-headed monster!
and i'm not gonna pay a lot for it either!
i'm not giving up! if i can't get a set at a decent price, i'll either cut the deck down, or... i dunno what i'll do - but i WILL have my 11:1 quench-headed monster!
and i'm not gonna pay a lot for it either!
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I never knew about the problem with the lower compression height of the 400 piston! That really sucks! What are we to do? What c.r. can you still get with stock pistons on a 400 with quench 351C heads?
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