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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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What else to do when head gaskets blow?

My 2005 blew the head gaskets recently so i ordered the arp head studs from northern auto and the egr delete pipe from elite diesel. im going to get spartan tunes after it gets fixed. are there any ideas for anything else i should get performance wise that wont break the bank that would be easy to install at this time? exhaust is already done and im out of warranty. going to the dealer since they are basically a truck only dealer that has good techs.
also anything else i should get checked while it is torn down there?
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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The replacement head gaskets should not be stock. I think the "stuff" are called Fire Ring? Someone will confirm or correct.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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i saw those but you have to machine the heads to accept each ring. i dont know if this shop would do that - i know they will machine the heads to make them flat.
 

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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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I talked to Matt about the Fire Rings and he said unless you plan on installing stage 3 injectors and a crazy turbo setup, the fire rings are not worth the extra $700-800. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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I talked to Matt about the Fire Rings and he said unless you plan on installing stage 3 injectors and a crazy turbo setup, the fire rings are not worth the extra $700-800. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

Kyle
Matt knows his stuff... If it's got to do with building a diesel, and he said it, then it's a fact IMHO.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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talk to him about wire rings. When I talked to him it sounded like the way to go. Nice because theres no machining needed for these to work and theyre better than the stockers.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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hypermax wire rings and use these with arp studs? http://www.gohypermax.com/ProductDis...e-d8ff58e572aa - they say they have never used studs and "Dont ask them about it"
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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are there any ideas for anything else i should get performance wise that wont break the bank
There are alot of supplemental mods that I can suggest that would help out with higher performance upgrades if you chose to go that route. ITP's Fuel Regulated Return, FASS 150/180(they have smaller ones, but this one makes sure that your bases are covered), Fluidampner. Even if you just do the Stage 1 towing injectors like I did, you should do the first two on my list as bare minimal because in 2 months your stock fuel pump will go out on you. Also when you upgrade the fuel pressure system get a gauge that goes in the cab so you can monitor it. Anything that you want to do, now would be the time to do it, if your having a shop do it more then likely they will only charge you labor for the stud job and all your out is the part costs on everything else(most of the time). What exactly is it your trying to accomplish with your truck and that would help in determing exactly how extreme you should go with performance upgrades?
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 6.0superduty
I talked to Matt about the Fire Rings and he said unless you plan on installing stage 3 injectors and a crazy turbo setup, the fire rings are not worth the extra $700-800. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

Kyle
He told me the same thing as well when I was asking him about all the upgrades that I wanted to do after my heads started screaming at me.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:08 PM
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i dont think im going to be racing it or anything like that but i want it to still be dependable and driveable as a daily driver and not lose its capabilities (sounds like every other build up on here for the most part) but i do like performance. so im going to fix the head gasket problem with the studs and maybe the wire rings and the egr problem with the delete pipe. then i will get some tunes. i want to get the most out of it without losing reliability and not spending a fortune. it seems if i want anymore such as injectors, i will need to invest in other systems to keep the motor safe?? hows that?

to shorten, im thinking studs and egr delete since they are ordered and the wire rings if they are worth it with the studs...
 

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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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it seems if i want anymore such as injectors, i will need to invest in other systems to keep the motor safe?? hows that?

to shorten, im thinking studs and egr delete since they are ordered and the wire rings if they are worth it with the studs...
The bigger injectors will cause a much higher demand on the fuel pump as it is and Ford has an issue with dead-heading on the injectors as it is and because of that with bigger injectors your just putting a higher demand on a flawed system. When I first got the injectors I just got the regulated return system which used the stock fuel pump. After 2 months I was seeing as low as 20 psi on fuel pressure with the more aggressive tunes and when I used the econo and street tune I would see a 10 psi drop in fuel pressure. After that I just upgraded the system and so far no drop in pressure, but it hasn't gone beyond the two month period that my stock one lasted so we shall see. I just have the stock gaskets and no issues so far and it's been 8 months since the stud job was done, I don't think they are necessary if your not wanting to go crazy, save it for the other stuff.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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thats what i was thinking since the wire rings are almost 500 which is the cost of the tunes/tuner whereas the stock ones are around 60 if i recall. i know i will get awesome performance with some good tunes and the reliability from the studs/egr
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:35 PM
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The bigger injectors will cause a much higher demand on the fuel pump as it is and Ford has an issue with dead-heading on the injectors as it is and because of that with bigger injectors your just putting a higher demand on a flawed system. When I first got the injectors I just got the regulated return system which used the stock fuel pump. After 2 months I was seeing as low as 20 psi on fuel pressure with the more aggressive tunes and when I used the econo and street tune I would see a 10 psi drop in fuel pressure. After that I just upgraded the system and so far no drop in pressure, but it hasn't gone beyond the two month period that my stock one lasted so we shall see. I just have the stock gaskets and no issues so far and it's been 8 months since the stud job was done, I don't think they are necessary if your not wanting to go crazy, save it for the other stuff.
related question to this: are your fuel pressures from the test port under the hood on the fuel filter housing? also what is normal on the stock system? i only have a 30 psi manual gauge since that is all isspro offered in my style. i had it hooked up and checked it once at idle but i cant remember the pressure. i didnt drive it under load since i broke my hose fitting and have yet to fix it.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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related question to this: are your fuel pressures from the test port under the hood on the fuel filter housing? also what is normal on the stock system? i only have a 30 psi manual gauge since that is all isspro offered in my style. i had it hooked up and checked it once at idle but i cant remember the pressure. i didnt drive it under load since i broke my hose fitting and have yet to fix it.
I have mine plugged into the fuel regulated return system, the FASS has a plug for one there and I might add another one(if I can find a spot, my side of the cab is starting to look like a space station with gauges). I believe what Ford puts on there is 40 psi, even though it's recommended to be atleast 45(this is where I believe the dead-heading comes in), with the FASS and ITP system you should have the FASS at 60 psi and ITP kit at 58 psi. If you do the ITP kit by itself it would be set at 60 psi(which is a far cry of 40 that the stock pump puts out so it does tax it quite a bit even with stock injectors being used).
 
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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thanks for all your help tex. i think im going to stick with what i said - studs and egr delete pipe and just make sure the heads are smooth and use the stock gasket. i dont think i will be doing much more outside of the tuner and some other little things engine wise to keep it simple. thanks for the ideas and from waht you said i will look into the fuel system for modification if the time comes.
 
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