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From: Long Island, NY
Originally Posted by secondarychaos
ya no joke on the fine, but it's only really if you get your tank dipped...
however, i've had mine dipped once already, only owned my truck for two weeks...
however, i've had mine dipped once already, only owned my truck for two weeks...
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Originally Posted by joe_13894
Is your truck a work truck secondarychaos?
If it's a personal vehicle, they can't dip your tank. 4th amendment and all that.... it's been through the courts and upheld.
If it's a personal vehicle, they can't dip your tank. 4th amendment and all that.... it's been through the courts and upheld.
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From: Whitewright, Tx
Originally Posted by c00nhunterjoe
yes, becasue it is considerd a farm vehicle it can be on the road with it, its considered no different then driving a tractor on the road, but the pick-up must have the farm tags
My fuel guy sent notice early last year that the red fuel was UL.
Farm tags do provide a lower cost registration fee and generally the DOT guys or DPS won't bother you if you have a wide (10') load of hay on the road.
I know of three larger (2500+ ac) operations around me that have stopped using red fuel. They buy 10,000 gal loads taxed fuel and file to recover the taxes. The percentage of fuel used "on road" is so low it is lost in the numbers. No issues with red fuel being used in road vehicles and no need for a second fuel storage area which is becoming more of a problem every year.
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From: shiloh, kentucky
In KY, I dont think it is ever legal to run off road on road. A neighbor, just across the line in TN, had a diesel VW Rabbit he was running farm fuel in, driving back and forth to work a public job. Somehow he got caught. There were no big $10000 fine but he did have to pay a bunch of road tax back. They prorated his bulk storage tank on the farm. I am pretty sure he is running road fuel now, shook him ups.
Like 2 Stroke Man said, I have seen the DOT at the cattle yards checking trucks. I have never been checked, but I also dont have anything to worry about.
Like 2 Stroke Man said, I have seen the DOT at the cattle yards checking trucks. I have never been checked, but I also dont have anything to worry about.
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From: THUNDER BAY
Originally Posted by MLCinNCTX
Here in Texas the use of "farm tags" on your truck does not grant you the right to not pay road tax which here is the only difference between pump fuel and red fuel.
My fuel guy sent notice early last year that the red fuel was UL.
Farm tags do provide a lower cost registration fee and generally the DOT guys or DPS won't bother you if you have a wide (10') load of hay on the road.
I know of three larger (2500+ ac) operations around me that have stopped using red fuel. They buy 10,000 gal loads taxed fuel and file to recover the taxes. The percentage of fuel used "on road" is so low it is lost in the numbers. No issues with red fuel being used in road vehicles and no need for a second fuel storage area which is becoming more of a problem every year.
My fuel guy sent notice early last year that the red fuel was UL.
Farm tags do provide a lower cost registration fee and generally the DOT guys or DPS won't bother you if you have a wide (10') load of hay on the road.
I know of three larger (2500+ ac) operations around me that have stopped using red fuel. They buy 10,000 gal loads taxed fuel and file to recover the taxes. The percentage of fuel used "on road" is so low it is lost in the numbers. No issues with red fuel being used in road vehicles and no need for a second fuel storage area which is becoming more of a problem every year.
Are they laying down new rules for that for you guys? here they want double wall tanks, a cement containment or some kind of containment for under the tank even home owners now that use fuel for heat are having to upgrade there tanks and make a containment
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From: Whitewright, Tx
Originally Posted by scatgo
What were you doing when you got your tanks dipped, towing, maybe 150MPH?
If you are going 150 mph it is tough for them to dip the tank.
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From: Whitewright, Tx
Originally Posted by WALJON
I see so they just claim it at tax time what kind of problems are they having with having more than one tank for storage?
Are they laying down new rules for that for you guys? here they want double wall tanks, a cement containment or some kind of containment for under the tank even home owners now that use fuel for heat are having to upgrade there tanks and make a containment
Are they laying down new rules for that for you guys? here they want double wall tanks, a cement containment or some kind of containment for under the tank even home owners now that use fuel for heat are having to upgrade there tanks and make a containment
Yes the big guys are, and most have finished, building the fueling centers that use above ground tanks mounted on a concrete pad with something like a 30" poured concrete wall to contain any failure. I have not done much as I have a small operation and only burn about 1000 gal/year. I just have a 400 gal overhead tank and the fuel guy is out about three times a year.
I am not aware of any problems with the single tank, but these guys use a lot of fuel with trators that hold 400 gallon in the tank. They do still have trailer mounted fuel tanks, about 500 gallons, for fueling in the field.
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From: somerset KY
wow, thats alotta fuel compared to my 55 gallon drums =) lol. but, then again, the fuel guy is out here about once a month
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From: THUNDER BAY
I hauled fuel briefly for Imperial oil and did what was called the co-op run the farmers do use a lot of fuel!
lots of them had clemmer double wall above ground tanks I think the co-op helped most of them out with with the upgrades
lots of them had clemmer double wall above ground tanks I think the co-op helped most of them out with with the upgrades
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From: Whitewright, Tx
Originally Posted by WALJON
I hauled fuel briefly for Imperial oil and did what was called the co-op run the farmers do use a lot of fuel!
lots of them had clemmer double wall above ground tanks I think the co-op helped most of them out with with the upgrades
lots of them had clemmer double wall above ground tanks I think the co-op helped most of them out with with the upgrades
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From: Cosby Mo
sorry guys but even farmers cant run red
trust me I know$$$$$$ I have been probed many times and the dot around here just look for a diesel and will find a reason to stop you and then will check yor tanks, I've been checked at sales, scales, and just runnin around town.
trust me I know$$$$$$ I have been probed many times and the dot around here just look for a diesel and will find a reason to stop you and then will check yor tanks, I've been checked at sales, scales, and just runnin around town.
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From: Bagram Afghanistan
yeah, farmers in IN can't run the red either.. I know a lot of guys who do though.. it seems the DOT don't really bother checking around here.. I've owned my truck for about a year and I havn't been checked yet.. my BIL down in the south end of the state trucks hogs in a F450. he has only been stoped once as far as I know.
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From: Cosby Mo
well the boys in blue(dot) up here are trying to justify their jobs. They have closed down two scales on the interstate and have put restrictions on how long they can work and how far they can go from home base so i think they are trying to look good by busting anything they can!!!!!!!
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From: THUNDER BAY
The ministry of transportation here in Ontario Canada has it,s own department just for this kinda stuff they chase guys down with their lights on and also sit at the scales I have been checked several times now.The guys that work in the logging Industry all have slip tanks in the back of their trucks to fuel up their equipment and for some reason the fuel ends up in the truck LOL I wonder how that would happen?
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From: Grass Valley, CA
Originally Posted by scatgo
What were you doing when you got your tanks dipped, towing, maybe 150MPH?