hey guys new to the 6.0 and was wondering which is better for the 6.0 i have both

 

neither...............SCT! or so everyone here says! Im still waiting to back to work so I can buy mine.........come on spring!

 

Sell them both on eBay and buy the SCT... Mine is on it's way to my house now Got shipped out yesterday!

 

Get rid of them both as fast as you can and get an SCT

 

I have to tell you, I came from using the Bullydog Triple dog and while I have no complaints from what it did to my truck's performance, I am far happier with the SCT and plus I wanted to do the mods that I have listed plus 1 other that it wouldn't be able to compensate for, so it's just better to plan for the future, I learned the hard way.

 

I was just like you a year and a half ago, the 4" exhaust was on and the Diablo almost ordered.

Then I found

I did a search on "Diablo" for you. PLEASE read a few of the post.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...earchid=285593

Then take a look at my sig.

PS: Please note that head gaskets/bolts will cost SEVERAL thousand $'s and Ford has finally figured out what is causing all the 6.0 head gasket problems.

ab

 

I disagree with that. Most of the evidence that people present that claim that tuners caused the head problems is not easily proven. The best evidence out there is that: A. I put a tuner on my truck and B. then my gaskets failed on me. That has the same logic as: I flew to Las Vegas and won lots of money so therefore, if I fly to Las Vegas I'll win lots of money. Now your probably thinking that the Las Vegas example is silly, but that is the same logical thought that most people here use for the supposed tuner problems. Am I saying tuners don't cause problems, no I am not, but it's very hard to prove that they did in fact cause the problems that either were A. caused by poor installation at the factory or B. caused by someone driving the truck in such a manor that caused the problem(which is a very probable scenerio). Plus if you use a custom tuner, you can actually program it to where you don't do hp/tq enhancements and you can actually detune the truck(and a few have done that), so the mere fact of running a tuner doesn't mean that your going to have headgasket problems or that they are indeed the cause of headgasket problems, that just might bring to the forefront what problems are already existing.

 

VERY NICELY PUT!

 

preach it brother tex

 

thanks guys i like the info i'm sorry i don,t have my sig up yet to busy looking for a job to buy liquid dinosaurs for my truck. i do have the airraid intake, 4" turbo back stainless exh. and yes studs plus 8.5" skyjacker and ladder bars with 38x15.5x20 rubbers

 

Why are the head bolts such a touchy subject?
Every car/truck/boat etc has a weak link

my 460 jet boat flattened the cam (often)
my tuned 300ZX TT would eat factory clutches
my 92 Dodge Durango V8 killed 2 transmissions
etc

here's some evidence about the Ford 6.0's weak link

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_ep q=ford+6.0+head+gasket&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&cr=&as_ft =i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt =any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=+%22Cummins+5.9+head +gasket%22&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=+%22Dodge+5.9++head+ gasket%22&btnG=Search

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...earchid=286850 500 threads

I consider the sealed ball joints the next weak link???
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...earchid=286852 41 threads

It's starting to look like the SCT custom tuners are getting a handle on the 6.0 weak link.
Personally I'm waiting till late Sept and if the head gasket/bolt problem has been resolved I'll be ordering a SCT.

 

No, it's not that the weak link is headbolts issue. That isn't why I'm sensitive. It's the fact that with very little evidence people blame something as a cause as to why something fails and try to pass it on as definitive evidence. Headbolts are a weak link, they can fail rather it's stock or not, but people say if you don't use a tuner that you won't or have a very strong chance of not having headbolt problems, however if you do use a tuner, you'll have headgasket issues(which is how it appeared to me how you were wording your previous argument, rather you intended that or not I don't know and that is irrelevant anyway) and that isn't true unless you did a pressure test when you received the truck from the dealership and then pressure tested it before you put a tuner on and if it cleared that test both those times and then it failed after you put the tuner on then you have something to really claim, but I don't know of many(if it all) people that have done that and certaintly no where near the amount of people that claim that tuners cause head problems.

 

I disagree with your opinion.

There are a bunch of threads on this site you can read about tuners and head gasket/studs. Just count them up and draw your own conclusions. From what I have read there seems to be a common thread to head gasket problems. (Mind you not everyone has had problems, but a good many folks have)

 

And read the evidence that supports most of those claims about tuners and headgaskets. "I used a tuner and my headgaskets blew". That has the same logic behind it as "I flew to las vegas won lots of money, so therefore, I fly to las vegas I win lots of money". If you believe the truth of the first one as evidence of proof that tuners cause problems then you would have to believe the truthfulness of the second one. Do you really think that it's true? Can tuners cause head problems? Sure, but is it as much as the threads would indicate? Hard to prove with that type of evidence.

 

I whole heartedly agree with Tex. The use of a tuner just expedites the inevitable. It is not really a question of "if the head gaskets will fail on a stock truck" as it is "when the head gaskets will fail". The heads and gaskets fail as a result of an over boost condition. This condition can be experienced in either stock or modified trucks. If the VGT malfunctions, an over boost will occur on a stock truck and viola...stretched head bolts.

The problem is not in the use of the tuners....on the contrary, the head bolt pattern and materials were under designed and do not even meet the boost potential of the VGT in stock form. They used the old engine design from the '03 6.0L and over the years needed to ad more Hp to stay competitive with Dodge and GM. They added a larger or VGT turbo which increased boost to increase Hp and did not re-design the engine to handle the power upgrades, the result is blown head gaskets stock or not. I personally know of two un related instances that this has happened on fleet company vehicles where there was absolutely no chance of a tuner being used.

ego.....if you fly to Las Vegas you will win lots of money......if I fly to Las Vegas I will loose lots of money. Makes sense to me.

On another note Go with SCT. Get programs from Spartan or Inovative and enjoy.
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