Same problem Different Day AAGGGHHH!!!!
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Same problem Different Day AAGGGHHH!!!!
Thought my dealer fixed my truck dying ( actually a dead accelerator now) while driving. All of a sudden for no reason the truck started acting up yesterday. Driving along and then it seems to cut out, no lights no bells no whistles and no codes. Then its fine, tonight it was worse actually went WOT and only got 1500 rpms backed off of the accelerator did it again same thing then ........................ Wham 3500 rpms.
Work done so far:
Fuel pump replaced by dealer
alternator and batteries charging over 14 volts
Diesel fuel additive Power service
Regular fuel & oil filter changes 5000 for oil and 10,000 for fuel
rotella 5w-40
racor fuel filters ( motorcraft)
I have been doing all the things I should be doing and its still acting up.
Somebody give me a direction to send my dealer cause I know they will be scratching there heads.
Could I have S$%# in the tank that gets sucked up intermittently,
HELP!!!!
getting frustrated and losing my patience ?????????????????
Work done so far:
Fuel pump replaced by dealer
alternator and batteries charging over 14 volts
Diesel fuel additive Power service
Regular fuel & oil filter changes 5000 for oil and 10,000 for fuel
rotella 5w-40
racor fuel filters ( motorcraft)
I have been doing all the things I should be doing and its still acting up.
Somebody give me a direction to send my dealer cause I know they will be scratching there heads.
Could I have S$%# in the tank that gets sucked up intermittently,
HELP!!!!
getting frustrated and losing my patience ?????????????????
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I checked it ( looking for obvious stuff and I had the dealer check it ( had the post where the bulletin was) also asked the dealer to do the same as they would/should know what to look for. I gave them the bulletin # and they printed out there own copy to hand to tech. No chafing found.
Does seem it could be something like that.
Does seem it could be something like that.
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that was replaced last year. I am goin to drive around with my actron code reader hooked up It can do some basic montoring ( never uesd it for this before) but maybe I can get some useful info before I bring it back in
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varying crank times from 1 - 4 seconds?
new symptom or not. How much should crank times vary from time to time?
Truck started up in about 1/2 to 1 sec after sitting for 4 hours in cold 25 degree weather but takes 3-4 sec when warm.....interesting
Thoughts anyone
Truck started up in about 1/2 to 1 sec after sitting for 4 hours in cold 25 degree weather but takes 3-4 sec when warm.....interesting
Thoughts anyone
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oh yeah spoke to tech today who worked on my truck seems to be scratching his head because they cannot get it duplicate the problem.
Thinking about leaving it for a week to see if they can get it to be symptomatic
Thinking about leaving it for a week to see if they can get it to be symptomatic
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That Could Be A Loose Wire, A Relay, I Would Bet On The Ecu, Its Sounds Like A Codensor On The Old Points Fords, It Would Go Out Slowly, And Itwould Act Like It Was Running Out Of Fuel. But That WouldN'T Shut Your Electric Plant Down, See If Your Mechanic Can Hook Up His Scanner To It, And Keep Cranking The Motor To See If He Can Get Any Codes From It. I Would Look For A Loose Wire To Your Ignition. Good-luck, Will
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thanks will,
I did check the harness under the dash once but I will get a little more specific and detailed ( i actually have some free time)
I look on the 6.0 bible for the ecu location
I did check the harness under the dash once but I will get a little more specific and detailed ( i actually have some free time)
I look on the 6.0 bible for the ecu location
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From your description it seems to be an electrical or sensor problem. It really sounds ALOT like wiring harness chafing. All the symptoms are there. Did the Tech specifically state he checked the entire harness? Has it had the 06E17 flash? Could also be a combo of problems including sticky turbo vanes.
Chafing:
Wire Chafing Issues:
A variety of driveability issues can arise from chafing/shorting wiring, such as crank/no-start, stall, running rough, misfire, buck/jerk or lack of power. The most common location for this is the valve cover/cover bolts near the FICM or the intake manifold bolts where the harness routes under the air intake hose. The harness should be rerouted and any chafe points insulated with rubber vacuum caps. Other chafe problems can occur where the sensor harnesses route around the valve covers, thermostat housing, idler pulleys, glow plug relay bracket, and near the accelerator pedal assembly (adjustable pedals), and also near the PCM by the battery and near the relay box brackets at the left rear corner of the engine compartment. On Econolines, also inspect at the top edge of the computer, along the oil dipstick tube bracket and auxiliary A/C lines. Broadcast Messages 1407 and 3077.
More harness info courtesy of the Ford Doctor: www.forddoctorsdts.com/articles/article-05-11.php
Flash:
2003/04 Computer Programming Recall 06E17:
Truck built before 9-29-03 are being recalled to have the computer reprogrammed. The reason for this recall is to correct fuel injection timing during cold operation, EGR valve control, lack of power, check engine light illumination (P02263 or P0299), hard starting and rough running concerns related to Exhaust BackPressure sensor corrosion. Other symptoms not listed in this recall, but which could occur, would be excessive smoke, turbo control and surging at idle or cruise. The new update eliminates the EBP sensor input to the computer. The exhaust backpressure will now be inferred/calculated using other sensor signals. Trucks should be reprogrammed using versions 41.8 or 42.1 or higher.
After this reprogramming, the truck should be test driven, the computer checked for a codes and the codes cleared (even if none are present), the key cycled on for five seconds, then turned off twice, then the engine started and allowed to idle for 5 minutes at operating temperature to allow the computer to relearn the EGR valve closed position value. This is to prevent erronious codes or driveability sysmptoms related to the EGR valve an turbo performance. Broadcast Messages 5452, 5529.
You should notice an increase in turbo cycling closed/whistling at idle and at stops. This is normal, and is to help keep the variable vanes from sticking.
Chafing:
Wire Chafing Issues:
A variety of driveability issues can arise from chafing/shorting wiring, such as crank/no-start, stall, running rough, misfire, buck/jerk or lack of power. The most common location for this is the valve cover/cover bolts near the FICM or the intake manifold bolts where the harness routes under the air intake hose. The harness should be rerouted and any chafe points insulated with rubber vacuum caps. Other chafe problems can occur where the sensor harnesses route around the valve covers, thermostat housing, idler pulleys, glow plug relay bracket, and near the accelerator pedal assembly (adjustable pedals), and also near the PCM by the battery and near the relay box brackets at the left rear corner of the engine compartment. On Econolines, also inspect at the top edge of the computer, along the oil dipstick tube bracket and auxiliary A/C lines. Broadcast Messages 1407 and 3077.
More harness info courtesy of the Ford Doctor: www.forddoctorsdts.com/articles/article-05-11.php
Flash:
2003/04 Computer Programming Recall 06E17:
Truck built before 9-29-03 are being recalled to have the computer reprogrammed. The reason for this recall is to correct fuel injection timing during cold operation, EGR valve control, lack of power, check engine light illumination (P02263 or P0299), hard starting and rough running concerns related to Exhaust BackPressure sensor corrosion. Other symptoms not listed in this recall, but which could occur, would be excessive smoke, turbo control and surging at idle or cruise. The new update eliminates the EBP sensor input to the computer. The exhaust backpressure will now be inferred/calculated using other sensor signals. Trucks should be reprogrammed using versions 41.8 or 42.1 or higher.
After this reprogramming, the truck should be test driven, the computer checked for a codes and the codes cleared (even if none are present), the key cycled on for five seconds, then turned off twice, then the engine started and allowed to idle for 5 minutes at operating temperature to allow the computer to relearn the EGR valve closed position value. This is to prevent erronious codes or driveability sysmptoms related to the EGR valve an turbo performance. Broadcast Messages 5452, 5529.
You should notice an increase in turbo cycling closed/whistling at idle and at stops. This is normal, and is to help keep the variable vanes from sticking.
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It appears from my oasis that I had the 06E17 refalsh done but it does not state what version it is. Would this be listed on my oasis?
Was there ever a recall on th ewire harness or was it fix as needed?
Thanks
It appears from my oasis that I had the 06E17 refalsh done but it does not state what version it is. Would this be listed on my oasis?
Was there ever a recall on th ewire harness or was it fix as needed?
Thanks
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Yes, it would be on an OASIS.Here's the catch on the flash, "After this reprogramming, the truck should be test driven, the computer checked for a codes and the codes cleared (even if none are present), the key cycled on for five seconds, then turned off twice, then the engine started and allowed to idle for 5 minutes at operating temperature to allow the computer to relearn the EGR valve closed position value. This is to prevent erronious codes or driveability symptoms related to the EGR valve an turbo performance."
There were problems reported by owners which led to the discovery that this last part of the flash procedure was not being done correctly or not done at all. Show this info directly to the Diesel Technician, not the service advisor, and see what he can do for you. Have them do the flash again according to proper procedure.
The wiring harness was not a recall, though it should have been IMO, but a service bulletin/broadcast message informing techs of this problem. Some were repaired but many more were replaced.
There were problems reported by owners which led to the discovery that this last part of the flash procedure was not being done correctly or not done at all. Show this info directly to the Diesel Technician, not the service advisor, and see what he can do for you. Have them do the flash again according to proper procedure.
The wiring harness was not a recall, though it should have been IMO, but a service bulletin/broadcast message informing techs of this problem. Some were repaired but many more were replaced.
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talked to dealer today after reading your reflash bulletin I realized the tech at he dealership where I first brought my truck did not do the relearning strategy. he reflased the puter and when I heard the injector buzz ( did not know what it was . neither did he) He went ahead and reflashe dthe truck in front of me. The computer finished the reflash and he simply handed me the keys and said that was the way it must be ( he did check and called me the next day) but he whole relearning thing never ever happened.
Also my wire harness ifs not the updated one and I am checking that section by section with the wooden dowel or pliers.
Also my wire harness ifs not the updated one and I am checking that section by section with the wooden dowel or pliers.
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I had an issue like this one recently. It was on a 7.3 however. The PCM had a chip installed in it and it had melted from the back side. The owner bought the truck with the chip in it and I had to start from scratch.
6 hours later, I removed the PCM and there it sat. It did the exact same thing you are describing. He'd get a shut off/no run issue intermit. It'd sit for a while and fire right back up not storing the first code.
I hava a couple spare PCM/IDM's from wrecks that I kept just for test purposes laying around the shop.
I know the 6.0 is different and I'm not sure if you're modded with that type of chip, however, if I had to guess, i'd start at PCM and work backwards. If everything else is at 0 (0 = not faulty) then there is improper information being sent.
I'm still learning the 6.0 bible and w/ any luck, I'll be attending a 7 day class from Ford by years end (pending me sweet talking the rep where my partners son works and me coming up with the 5 grand to pay for it. The money is not the problem, I just need to sneak on Ford's payroll so I can be allowed to go).
6 hours later, I removed the PCM and there it sat. It did the exact same thing you are describing. He'd get a shut off/no run issue intermit. It'd sit for a while and fire right back up not storing the first code.
I hava a couple spare PCM/IDM's from wrecks that I kept just for test purposes laying around the shop.
I know the 6.0 is different and I'm not sure if you're modded with that type of chip, however, if I had to guess, i'd start at PCM and work backwards. If everything else is at 0 (0 = not faulty) then there is improper information being sent.
I'm still learning the 6.0 bible and w/ any luck, I'll be attending a 7 day class from Ford by years end (pending me sweet talking the rep where my partners son works and me coming up with the 5 grand to pay for it. The money is not the problem, I just need to sneak on Ford's payroll so I can be allowed to go).
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well the truck is bone stock, so I have never chipped it even once, thought about it but was not worth the chance to me.
I am leaning towards the wire issues as I had to limp to work tonite truck had loss of power, dead throttle and it would occasionally light up the whole dash but woul dstart with the glow plug indicator ( lasts about 1 second) then its fine. Then it may start all over again.
I am leaning towards the wire issues as I had to limp to work tonite truck had loss of power, dead throttle and it would occasionally light up the whole dash but woul dstart with the glow plug indicator ( lasts about 1 second) then its fine. Then it may start all over again.