I can't find my paper work but the sidewall of my current tires just say Bridgestone Dueler AT. Is that different than a Revo? Point being, maybe one (mine) is kind of a 2nd tier product to the Revo? The only difference is that these are 285 D, the stock tires were 265 E. KInd of amazaed myself that I am going on the 3rd set of tires in 8000 miles.

 

It would say revo.

There are a few dueler a/t's

Do they look like this?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....e1=yes&place=9

 

Well, they did when they had tread. That is them though.

So you are saying basically that the Bridgestones are better than the Toyo's? (I realize opinions are subjective). What do you drive in/on most?

I need something that gets excellent tractrion in all weather, wet/dry. I also need something that is resistant to cuts and scrapes. That's one complaint with the Duelers. I go over rocks quite often, my sidewalls are all cut and scraped up to the 3rd layer. No where near a bubble yet but looks pretty shoddy.

 

Pavement about 80%. Logging roads the other 20%. When on the logging roads I go in empty and leave with about 1500lb in the bed.

This is waht I dislike about the Toyos. They sway. Like they have weak sidewalls. Yes it is like driving on ice. The rear tires seem to sway when making lane changes. If you just rock the truck back and forth with the wheel you can feel the rear keep swaying one you return the wheel to center. Even hard braking the front tires seem like they hunt to around to keep straight. While it has gotten better. It is still there to a extent. On a scale of 1-10 I give them a 7. Satisfactory.

 

What's the rating, D or E? I know what your saying. These Duelers do NOT do that I must say. You are on 20s now. What pressure were you running on 16s? I am at 50 on all 4. I used to run 50 front, 80 back but t5hoiught that was what was causing them to wear so quick.

 

The revo's were D and the Toyos are E. (285 65 18 BTW) I ran the revo's at 55 all around. The toyos are currently at 55 front and 70 rear. I played with all kinds of PSI combos and never felt any positive difference. When I boost the front psi the over steer was bad and when I lowered the rear psi the sway was worse.

 

So you like the bridgestones? I have the Toyos ( 1 year and 17K) and not happy with them. I'm getting ready to go to 17" rims and don't want to be tire shopping in a year AGAIN! So 60K sounds good to me, why did you go to Toyos?
Beth

 

I loved the bridgestones when I had 16" wheels. When I switched to 18" wheels there were very few choices, especially for a 99-04 truck. Bridgestone does not even make a 18" tire. I need a special size to keep the gearing close to stock. So I chose a tire size of 285 65 18E. Basically I had three choices. Toyo A/T's, Nitto dune and terra grapplers, or BF Goodrich T/A. I just did not like the the nitto's or BFG's so I went with Toyo. While they are OK. There are better tires on the market. The kicker is they tires cost me $1050 due to the size. Alot of change for a "OK" tire. Of course Michelin came out with a new A/T tire 3 months ofter I baught the Toyo's.

 

How much snow do you do in Mass? This is the worst time of year for me as far as traction needs. Snow, snow covered mud etc. Even on the street, these Duelers haven't been very good at all in snow. I don't want to go to a mud tire for traction. There are times I have to drive the highway for 150 or so miles pulling a bobcat or something. Not something I want to do on a pure mud tire.

 

We get alot of snow in Massachusetts. We get the dreaded Nor'Easter. We have had about 3 feet of snow so far this winter. Both tires were good in the snow. The problem with both tires were the width. My Toyos are 11.5" wide. Too wide for great snow traction.

 

I mentioned earlier that I had Revo's on my '05 Excursion... 285/75-16, D load rating. I used them a bunch in snow last winter, even while towing an 8500lb 30' trailer up in the mountains. I always carry chains and never even came close to needing them even pulling steep grades with the trailer both on pavement and off in several inches of snow... the Revo's were awesome!

Where I noticed even a bigger difference was in the ability of the Revo's to bring the Ex (and trailer) to a stop. The BFG Rugged Trails that I had to start with were down right scary to try and stop on slick roads or on snow. The Revo was no comparison, it just worked so much better.

I put 25k on the tires before I traded out of the truck and probably 1/3 of that was towing the trailer. I also spent a lot of hours in the rocks on fire service roads and never had any trouble with the sidewalls getting chewed up.

Even with "just" a D load rating, these were rock solid at highway speeds while towing. Sometimes D's can be a bit wishy-washy - these just werent. Only went with the D because they didnt make an E in the size I wanted.

I've run all-terrain and off road tires (Goodyear, Uniroyal, Michelin, Yokohama, BFG, Cooper) in the past on everything from full size Bronco's and Blazers, to Jeeps, a Scout II, a Super Duty and the Ex and the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo is without a doubt on top of the heap. As long as they make them and I can get them for my application, it's the only tire I'll ever have on a truck. I push vehicles and tires farther than most average owners and I do enough 4x4'n on the same trails in different rigs with different tires that I've been able to compare them in the same conditions... Revo's are on top in my book.

Here's my list in order of preference based on my experience with them:
1. Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo
2. Yokohama Geolandar A/T II
3. Michelin LTX A/T
4. Goodyear AT/S
5. Cooper Discoverer STT

 

I think I should check the Revo's out. I didn't realize there would be so much difference in Revo's vs. Non Revo Duelers. I have to think there is though, given what Boxcar and nebmike say. Tire rack, or discount tire?

Boxcar, when you stepped up in rim size, did you have any problems with speedometer, sluggish because of gearing, anything?

 

Rim size is irrelavant. The diameter of the tire is what matters. OEM tires were 265 75 16 (31.6" tires) the revos were 285 75 16 (32.8" tires) and the toyos are 285 65 18 (32.6" tires). I did feel a bit of a loss in low end grunt due to the effective gear ratio being reduced a little. As far as the speedo goes the OEM reading always were 2 MPH too fast. The revos and the toyo's are dead on. I drive by one of the road side radar signs every day. 35 is 35 now. before 35 was 37 on the speedo.

 

I have Cooper Discoverer STT 295/70/17. If it were to be done over again I'd get Toyo MTs in 285/75/17 or 285/80/17 (whichever they are). I wish my tires were slightly taller and skinnier. The Coopers though work very well. They are a "D" load range tire and handle snow and light offroad really well. The truck is too big and heavy to be a real offroader, but the offroad stuff it sees, well the Coopers do the trick. It seems the Cooper and Toyo has a very similar tread pattern.

 

I see. Do I gain any advantage with a bigger (diameter) rim? Other than you can mount larger tires. Other than it looks like it fills the wheel wells more. Which I could give a shoot about. I personally don't mind 265/xx/16 tires. I use the truck to work, looks are secondary. While I like the look of wider tires, I know they aren't practical in a lot situations.