Pops bought a B-series problem... $800?
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Pops bought a B-series problem... $800?
He bought a '96 B-2300. Paid $800 and I feel that was fair. Body ain't cherry, needs a front bumper. Headlight switch is floppin' in the dash, no ****. Turnsignal lever is wobbly in the column, no self cancel.
The worst initial situation, however, is a pretty obnoxious loud noise in the front of driveline. Idle or driving it sounds like a piece of dogchain draggin' the road (best I can describe it) until you push in clutch and than it quiet as a church mouse. When you let off the clutch it takes a second to begin again.
Onto other nuisances...
Will we find broken parts or missing/loose screws for the headlight and turnsignal switches?
Brent
The worst initial situation, however, is a pretty obnoxious loud noise in the front of driveline. Idle or driving it sounds like a piece of dogchain draggin' the road (best I can describe it) until you push in clutch and than it quiet as a church mouse. When you let off the clutch it takes a second to begin again.
Onto other nuisances...
Will we find broken parts or missing/loose screws for the headlight and turnsignal switches?
Brent
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Both.
Question[s]
Are there junkyards nearby?
what kind of miles on the truck?
Engine run good?
how much rust?
cost of other Mazda/Ranger trucks around that year?
condition of those trucks compared to this one?
does dad want to bond with his son while they work on the truck?
If the answer to the last question is yes, then it renders all my other questions moot.
Your best friend won't be here forever.
Question[s]
Are there junkyards nearby?
what kind of miles on the truck?
Engine run good?
how much rust?
cost of other Mazda/Ranger trucks around that year?
condition of those trucks compared to this one?
does dad want to bond with his son while they work on the truck?
If the answer to the last question is yes, then it renders all my other questions moot.
Your best friend won't be here forever.
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IT IS a worn out TO bearing - and if it's a 2.3 you should SERIOUSLY compare the clutch slave of the B2300 to the clutch slave of a RANGER 2.3.
One has a replaceable TOB, the other doesn't....
You can upgrade to the better one and save a lot of cash later.
One has a replaceable TOB, the other doesn't....
You can upgrade to the better one and save a lot of cash later.
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For most "soft parts" he will buy new. I will do alot of the wrench work and as far as I know i still have a lift at my ready. Which is replaceable and which is not? He bought a Mazda 2300.
He was also told he could get door keys for the Mazda at the ford dealer via the vin...
Brent
He was also told he could get door keys for the Mazda at the ford dealer via the vin...
Brent
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If he didn't get the keys - REPLACE THE LOCKS!
Don't take that chance, it's a losers bet.
Get it running, and one day it's gone... Sure, RIGHT!
Not to ME skippy....
The Mazda clutch slave is the plastic one, that has to be replaced as an entire unit. You can't take it apart!
BUT THE RANGER ONE NOW - that one is made out of metal, has the same bolts (two of them) and will cost about $95.oo the first time, which is what the mazda one does, and comes with both a fresh TOB and a lifetime warranty. But when it needs another TOB it's only thirty bucks, and you can change it.
Compare the two at the parts counter - it may have changed, but the '89's were like that and it's the same engine and tranny.
FORD DOES NOT MONKEY-UP working designs every year like the japanese companies do with their constant total redesigns - that thing has parts that can be swapped and upgraded! It's probably written into the damn contract as "Longevity of Application" or some such, but it is true.
In this case - the "AMERICAN VERSION" is the one with the longer life and interchangeability of parts. I recently walked through this whole quagmire and I know it.
Don't take that chance, it's a losers bet.
Get it running, and one day it's gone... Sure, RIGHT!
Not to ME skippy....
The Mazda clutch slave is the plastic one, that has to be replaced as an entire unit. You can't take it apart!
BUT THE RANGER ONE NOW - that one is made out of metal, has the same bolts (two of them) and will cost about $95.oo the first time, which is what the mazda one does, and comes with both a fresh TOB and a lifetime warranty. But when it needs another TOB it's only thirty bucks, and you can change it.
Compare the two at the parts counter - it may have changed, but the '89's were like that and it's the same engine and tranny.
FORD DOES NOT MONKEY-UP working designs every year like the japanese companies do with their constant total redesigns - that thing has parts that can be swapped and upgraded! It's probably written into the damn contract as "Longevity of Application" or some such, but it is true.
In this case - the "AMERICAN VERSION" is the one with the longer life and interchangeability of parts. I recently walked through this whole quagmire and I know it.
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Dang, been many years since I heard that sound. I bought a Sundance 5spd new back in '93 and put 174xxx on it and wore out a clutch at 133.xxx mi. Never heard the sound of a throw out bearing. Once upon a time in a different galaxie, a long time ago, I used a '66 MG Midget to teach my kids how to drive. Both wore out the clutches and throw out bearings. Both went at the same time. I figured that the design for the TO had changed to the point where they seldom failed anymore. Guess I was wrong.
So which has the better design, Mazda or Ford? Something I never had a reason to research.
So which has the better design, Mazda or Ford? Something I never had a reason to research.
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Both are "COAXIAL CYLINDER" designs.
They slide down over the input shaft of the tranny - surrounding it.
Think of a piston with a hole in the center that has a seal in the middle too.
But one is a one piece design molded out of plastic (MAZDA).
The other is cast out of metal, and has a replaceable bearing (RANGER).
The metal slaves last a long time, and you can change the TOB - the plastic ones, the whole works goes as a unit. Trash - all of it.
Ranger Clutch slaves from most parts houses carry a LIFETIME guarantee. You own it, it goes, show the reciept and the new one is in your hands. TOB may be an exception - but they come with the same.
I look at it the same as I do my tools - IF I'M ALIVE - I'M only going to buy a thing ONCE.
Whoever gets it after me better do the same.
But the bearing is only thirty and change, and you know they go out.
What do you want under YOUR foot?
They slide down over the input shaft of the tranny - surrounding it.
Think of a piston with a hole in the center that has a seal in the middle too.
But one is a one piece design molded out of plastic (MAZDA).
The other is cast out of metal, and has a replaceable bearing (RANGER).
The metal slaves last a long time, and you can change the TOB - the plastic ones, the whole works goes as a unit. Trash - all of it.
Ranger Clutch slaves from most parts houses carry a LIFETIME guarantee. You own it, it goes, show the reciept and the new one is in your hands. TOB may be an exception - but they come with the same.
I look at it the same as I do my tools - IF I'M ALIVE - I'M only going to buy a thing ONCE.
Whoever gets it after me better do the same.
But the bearing is only thirty and change, and you know they go out.
What do you want under YOUR foot?
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greywolf your telling me that the slave cylinder is different between the Mazda b series and the ford ranger? iv got a 96 ranger and my slave is leaking after about a year of use and its plastic. the original one i pulled out was plastic.
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See if an AUTOZONE or ADVANCE AUTO slave cyl for a 1989 will fit the 94 tranny.
If it's a TK trans, and a 2.3 - it should be the metal one that I have in my 89. If it bolts up it bolts up!
It might have to do with the year group - but I looked at an 89 ford ranger 2.3 standard 5 speed and it was by God metal! The tranny came out of a later model B2300 so the gearboxes should be the same.
If you can find it and it matches up - use it. They told me I could return mine if it was the wrong one, and I dealt with AutoZone in fact. I remember for sure.
It bolted up the same in the new tranny, the fit was exact, and the line fitting was identical.
If it's a TK trans, and a 2.3 - it should be the metal one that I have in my 89. If it bolts up it bolts up!
It might have to do with the year group - but I looked at an 89 ford ranger 2.3 standard 5 speed and it was by God metal! The tranny came out of a later model B2300 so the gearboxes should be the same.
If you can find it and it matches up - use it. They told me I could return mine if it was the wrong one, and I dealt with AutoZone in fact. I remember for sure.
It bolted up the same in the new tranny, the fit was exact, and the line fitting was identical.
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his 96 will be a m5od the same rules might not apply. i know your pains, just changed the clutch in my 86 2.3l it had the factory tob and clutch, back then the tob was a 2 piece deal and metal the replacement was a 1 peice made from a fiber plastic. guess your forget to take out one of the pieces when putting the new one in and got it all together and no forward motion... with the 2nd piece in which is 3/4 in length it had the clutch depressed. had to take it all apart.. but it runs good now.
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No - it wasn't like that.
It is directly made to have the TO replaceable.
The base slave is solid metal - for all I know it is a limited year group design.
BUT I HAVE ONE!
TOYO KOGYO 5 speed manual (TK)
It is directly made to have the TO replaceable.
The base slave is solid metal - for all I know it is a limited year group design.
BUT I HAVE ONE!
TOYO KOGYO 5 speed manual (TK)
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i ment guess who forget to take it out, not your lol. mine was a 2 peice design. the worst part about the style slave cylinder in my tk5 is that the hydrolic line hooks up from the top and its hard for me to get my big hands in there to put it back in and the retainer pin.