well I took my 302 in to the machine shop.

heres whats going on.

my 302 block was already bored 60 over.
heads were junk.
basically only thing salvagable was the crank.

The shop is a NAPA Engine Shop. Highly respected
by alot of shops around the state. I called. They all new him
by name. He has 22 years of experience! crap im only 26!

he had 3 same year blocks in stock with stock bore.
and im getting a set of E7 heads off the shelf as well.

its getting:
a Melling RV cam
hypereutectic pistons
all new rotating parts - crank
Heads are getting a port and polish
engine balanced and blueprinted
new oil pump
tins cleaned and painted he said ford grey...i thought it was blue?
all parts are name brand:
Fedral mogul sealed power
cleavite
1685 depending on connecting rods.
went in today and should be out by friday depending on shipping of the cam and pistons. luckily i caught him on a slow week. 4 months ago he had a waiting list of almost 2 months.

Im going this week to buy an intake for it.
either Weiand stealth or Edelbrock.
What do you think? Think that will get my 65 down the road?

thanks.

 

I'd go with the Edelbrock performer (not Performer RPM) with what you've got. I'd have suggested a few different things but it's too late now. Should run pretty well with a set of headers. Proffessional Products makes some Edelbrock knock-offs that will save you some cash, look for them on on-line or at E-bay. I thought it was blue as well, maybe he just wants to be different.

 

Well good! I just bought A Performer the other day for 135 bucks from oreilys.
They originally wanted 247 bucks for it!! I figured since I see them going for 140
on Jegs or summit I had some negotiating room. Autozone wanted 234 for the same
one. I figured this intake would be more what i need for my mild motor...I was also thinking of just a 500 cfm eddie carb aswell.. should I get the performance tune or the mileage tune...this isng a daily driver. just a weekend cruiser and pavement pounder.

I going to also get a DUI HEI distributer. I am hearing good things.
What do you think.

 

I think the late model 5.0s were grey tins with a black block, not sure on the year they started that though. My 89 Vic and 96 150 were both those colors. So your builder is probably painting it to match the block year.

 

Bewold- It's a '65, they were either black or "old Ford blue" , and I'm thinking blue. I see what you are thinking about block year, but I doubt the block brought in was that new. 65fordguy- You can't beat a deal like that! That's less than a PP would cost w/ shipping. Go with the performance tune. You may even want a little bigger carb, but I'd need to know a little more about your heads. Port and polish is a pretty general term, and I don't know if you have 302 or 351w heads. The guy doing the port work should be able to give you an estimated cc for the runners and valve sizes as well.

 

As far as engine color, Ford Blue I say.

The 460s in the mid 80s were gray color. Most later Fox Body 302s (5.0) were black. But, I'm pretty sure all early 302s were Ford Blue.

 

Yes, but the block that 65 brought in was junk. So the block being used by the builder could be any year. Your also just assuming the block he brought in isnt newer? Definetly for the year of truck go with the "old ford blue" (light ford blue) to be period correct in color, I believe 66 was when ford started using the darker corporate blue.

 

No, they were not. there are a couple different blues, and black for the block, with a few different variations on the tins and air cleaner for early 302s (light blue, dark blue, gold, chrome, and natural aluminum) But thats all waaaayyyy before my time so dont quote me on all that.

 

My bad, I was thinking 289. like I said dont take my word. Ive been trying for over a half an hour to get logged back in and fix my mistake, Im going to smash this computer!

 

I think he said he was going to use some E7s. They are the late model truck heads, and the late model 5.8 and 5.0 used the same heads (Unless it was a first gen lightning, they had GT40s).

 

The heads are a variation of the e6 head..YEA YEA i know E6 right....
well. thats what i said...I originally wanted the e7... but, my engine builder
is some miracle head man...half of arkansas gets there heads from the guy.
He worked the heads over did some voodoo on them and they dont even look
the same as an original e6. He swares that these heads with my pistons, cam, and bore would be a great match. I wish I could tell you what all he did....the list got too long and my memory is about.....what was i talking about? Im not easily convinced when it comes to these things and he convinced me so, that should say something. I wish i would of taken a picture of the e6 my old 84 truck heads and the e7s....you would of bought these too!! this is a picture of the engine, but it is one before i painted the heads.



As far as the ford grey issue....i told him to just paint it black....Im going for that whole black and aluminum look. I did alittle touch on the black before I painted the heads...I wanted there to be a seamless line between the heads and the block... so I painted the freeze plugs and the head gaskets.. and the pan gaskets. I didnt care too much for the rebuilt look. I used the same ceramic paint he used. I used an Aluminum high head paint for the heads. Looks really sweet now. Ill post pics later.

 

Thats Aluminum High HEAT paint....My spelling gets sloppy at 12 am.

 

Ive always liked the black and natural aluminum together, thats how my 5.0 build will look as well (when I finally get around to finishing it). Ive spent quite a few extra hours smoothing out all the sharp corners and removing excess casting material and crap from my block to look more seamless and smooth (it also adds a little strength). I hope you get many enjoyable miles out of your new rebuild.........Now go get that thing running. Oh, do you know your cam specs? cause that should help you make a decision on your intake combo.

 

the Melling MTF 1 specs are
.050 duration are 204 int and 214 exh.
SAE duration are 280 int 289 exh

I found a great deal on a Edelbrock performer 289
intake. I got it from orielys for 135 bucks.

My next fun task are buying the DUI distributer.
and figuring out the timing...Ive never timed a
vehicle before. Dont laugh! My dad is a mechanic.
Ive watched him do it for 26 years so hopefully I can
get him up here to help. I understand the principle of it
just never actually had my hands on it. there are some timeing
specs on the cam card. such as -6 BTC 30 ABC 43 BBC and -9 ATC
yeah I dont get that! I know what BTC is but not the others.

The motor is setting on 0 at the moment. so should be easy to get the
distributer in.

 

Valve lift would be good to know..... never mind I think that is the same cam ford racing sells as the A311 (.448 int and .472 exh). Your performer and 500 carb will work great for a cruiser. BTC-before top dead center, ABC-after bottom dead center, BBC-before bottom dead center, ATC-after top dead center. they are your valve timing events (open and close timing). Just remember that cam is designed for the 1-5-4 firing order not the later 1-3-7