up pipe leak
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From: Parker, CO
It's fuzzy, but that's soot alright. Definately get rid of the donut gaskets and get the bellowed up-pipes. BWD is where I got mine. At the time they were cheaper than the IH dealer close to my house.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Prince George, BC
i know my pic is a little fuzzy, but it was the best i could get, and by the looks of the pic rons power stroke posted, thats how mine looks, allthough i couldnt see the pass side up pipe, it looks as though the bolt on the back could be a little difficult to get at, did you guys have to put some penetrating oil on them first?? and what are they supposed to be torqued to after. any other tips before i try this one out, i bought the donut from ford today, not sure of the price of these bellowed pipes you guys talk about, they might not be in the budget.
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From: Parker, CO
BWD has the bellowed up-pipes for $300: http://shop.blackwidowdiesel.com/pro...&productId=304
Here's how to replace them: http://guzzle.rbmicro.com/upp.html
Here's how to replace them: http://guzzle.rbmicro.com/upp.html
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Laughing Gas
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From: Prince George, BC
Originally Posted by Pocket
Here's how to replace them: http://guzzle.rbmicro.com/upp.html
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You can get to all 4 top up pipe bolts to check torque from the bottom with a long extension & a 10mm universal socket (maybe 3/8", I dont remember) but your working pretty blind so getting the bolts out would be easy but putting them back in would be a bugger.
I just did this job yesterday but replaced the up pipes with the Black widow bellowed pipes, I was wondering if I wasted my money but after getting the old pipes out (by pulling the turbo to replace the pedestal/turbo o rings at the same time) I was glad I had the bellowed pipes on hand.
My 2001 F550 only has 30,000 miles & where the donuts sit on the pipe they had all but rubbed through, as the exhaust heats up & cools down it moves due to expansion & contraction, after multiple warm up cycles it wears a groove in the sealing surface of the pipe, I could not have sealed mine with gaskets due to this wear & its not a job I would want to do again soon. Thats my $.02
I just did this job yesterday but replaced the up pipes with the Black widow bellowed pipes, I was wondering if I wasted my money but after getting the old pipes out (by pulling the turbo to replace the pedestal/turbo o rings at the same time) I was glad I had the bellowed pipes on hand.
My 2001 F550 only has 30,000 miles & where the donuts sit on the pipe they had all but rubbed through, as the exhaust heats up & cools down it moves due to expansion & contraction, after multiple warm up cycles it wears a groove in the sealing surface of the pipe, I could not have sealed mine with gaskets due to this wear & its not a job I would want to do again soon. Thats my $.02
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Originally Posted by orcas tow
You can get to all 4 top up pipe bolts to check torque from the bottom with a long extension & a 10mm universal socket (maybe 3/8", I dont remember) but your working pretty blind so getting the bolts out would be easy but putting them back in would be a bugger......
.......& its not a job I would want to do again soon. Thats my $.02
.......& its not a job I would want to do again soon. Thats my $.02
My .02 - (actually .03 after taxes) go with the bellowed kit. It is a more permanent fix to the problem (the 6.0 has the bellowed pipes, and that is one thing that is not a problem on them). It costs more in the first place, but like any repair, it is more effective if done right the first time.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Prince George, BC
Originally Posted by spinge
AMEN to that. Yes, you can get to them from under the truck, with about 3 miles of extensions, 2 universals, and 2 more elbows in your arm. When I replaced mine on the F450 (before the bellowed pipes were available), it was a bear of a job, and they are leaking again. It has only been about a year. Look in my gallery for a picture of the up pipe with a hole worn in it from the donut, as well as the ear that broke off of the babies butt. These are the parts I took out the last time. When you go to the bellowed kit, all of the parts are new. For reference, try to find a babies butt at 4:00pm on a Sunday afternoon - not happening.
My .02 - (actually .03 after taxes) go with the bellowed kit. It is a more permanent fix to the problem (the 6.0 has the bellowed pipes, and that is one thing that is not a problem on them). It costs more in the first place, but like any repair, it is more effective if done right the first time.
My .02 - (actually .03 after taxes) go with the bellowed kit. It is a more permanent fix to the problem (the 6.0 has the bellowed pipes, and that is one thing that is not a problem on them). It costs more in the first place, but like any repair, it is more effective if done right the first time.
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From: White Mnt's,New Hampshire
if its leaking then you have lost boost and fuel mileage..if it leeks it needs to be fixed..I did mine with pipes off of an 01 cause I updated from the early 99 turbo.and could not afford the bellows...the pipe had a hole in it for EGT probe..I welded the hole and ground it back down,, my probe is on the exhaust manifold...itsbeen almost a year now and there still holding up well..
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I would leave it as is until you can afford the bellowed up pipes, the International up pipes (which are bellowed) are what Black widow sells but even with my shop discount at International Blackwidow was about $10 cheaper
