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Originally Posted by 51dueller
1. My books are factory parts catalogues. I don't have any tuning books.
2. Hmm.. no books eh?
3. Edelbrock part #1105 which recommends a Edelbrock #1403 or #1404 carb.
4. Tweecer allows 3 custom tunes in addition to the stock program. Since my engine is aimed at torque and not horsepower having a different tune is slightly redundant. I may setup a Tow/Haul mode though. Now if I added a second fuel tank of methanol I could take full advantage of different ignition and fuel tables.
5. How do you know he isn't just a imitator. Did you ask him to pop the hood and see the modifications? Or are you just carrying on a stereotype?
6. We all know what happened at "Jurassic Park"
7. You know the good looking girls like the fast and sleek.
8. Henry Ford called, he wants his engine back!
Look at the history of the flathead. It's popularity and it's speed parts are directly related to the pioneers of the racing industry. So if Fred Offenhauser and Victor Edelbrock plus many others didn't desire the need for speed you wouldn't have your precious 3 carb intakes. The flathead was the goto engine because 1. it was cheap 2. could make good power, now stuff that in a car that weighed 2000lbs and you had something. The competitors either had inline 6 engines or really expensive multi piece v-8's. Then the 50's came along and when the hemi and sbc were introduced the flathead was old news. With it's basic design dating back to 1932 and then compare that to OHV engines that breathe plus better casting techniques made them better platforms. Ford was then playing catch up and didn't hit it's stride till the 60's. The Y block was almost a failure due to it's heavy weight and lack of performance. The finally had something when they strapped a supercharger on the 312 but with those engine blocks cracking main webs coupled with holley carburetors that burnt the cars to the ground. The MEL engines were big and bulky plus they were only in luxury cars. The early FE engines weren't much better than their y block counterparts till the 427 side oiler. By this time Ford had managed to get some good performance out of their 289 engine to keep up with chevy's 327. This was the beginning of the "horse power wars" when they stuck huge engines in family cars. Fuel was cheap and hp was easily attainable.
Hot Rodding to it fundamental core has always been the pursuit of absolute horsepower.
2. Hmm.. no books eh?
3. Edelbrock part #1105 which recommends a Edelbrock #1403 or #1404 carb.
4. Tweecer allows 3 custom tunes in addition to the stock program. Since my engine is aimed at torque and not horsepower having a different tune is slightly redundant. I may setup a Tow/Haul mode though. Now if I added a second fuel tank of methanol I could take full advantage of different ignition and fuel tables.
5. How do you know he isn't just a imitator. Did you ask him to pop the hood and see the modifications? Or are you just carrying on a stereotype?
6. We all know what happened at "Jurassic Park"
7. You know the good looking girls like the fast and sleek.
8. Henry Ford called, he wants his engine back!
Look at the history of the flathead. It's popularity and it's speed parts are directly related to the pioneers of the racing industry. So if Fred Offenhauser and Victor Edelbrock plus many others didn't desire the need for speed you wouldn't have your precious 3 carb intakes. The flathead was the goto engine because 1. it was cheap 2. could make good power, now stuff that in a car that weighed 2000lbs and you had something. The competitors either had inline 6 engines or really expensive multi piece v-8's. Then the 50's came along and when the hemi and sbc were introduced the flathead was old news. With it's basic design dating back to 1932 and then compare that to OHV engines that breathe plus better casting techniques made them better platforms. Ford was then playing catch up and didn't hit it's stride till the 60's. The Y block was almost a failure due to it's heavy weight and lack of performance. The finally had something when they strapped a supercharger on the 312 but with those engine blocks cracking main webs coupled with holley carburetors that burnt the cars to the ground. The MEL engines were big and bulky plus they were only in luxury cars. The early FE engines weren't much better than their y block counterparts till the 427 side oiler. By this time Ford had managed to get some good performance out of their 289 engine to keep up with chevy's 327. This was the beginning of the "horse power wars" when they stuck huge engines in family cars. Fuel was cheap and hp was easily attainable.
Hot Rodding to it fundamental core has always been the pursuit of absolute horsepower.
#2- Ok I see your magic tuning book, maybe you should try reading my previous response to your "tunning books"
#3- I'm sorry I can't understand what your #5 refers to.
And now you get it, the Flathead look at history the Flathead was the only motor Ford EVER made that in its time was the domonit motor. Until Chevy brought out the small block and Chrysler rivelled with the Hemi, Ford has never regained domonice, even though was competivie with several motors.
I also find it funny that the golden 302/351 and the smaller rehects are the only motors Ford never put in anything big. The "blunder" 350 powered 5ton tandems but yet Ford knew putting a weasly 302 in a 1 ton would be a mistake.
ARE YOU MAKING fun of Henry Ford, he is the creater and forefather of the only thing we all have in common. That is low.
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HOW DARE YOU MOCK ONE OF HENRY FORDS GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS!!!!!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!
in 75 years how hard do you think its going to be to get anything done on a triton motor?
i wont say 75 years, becuase i dont know if ill make it that long, but you look me up in say 50 years and i will still have a running flathead powered vehicle, and i can take it out and people will still say, man is that ever cool, just like now. a v10 might find a place in some vehicles, but those are sure not old Ford cars, that is just worng, and not in any kind of good way.
Flatheads have stuck around as long as they have because of the genius of their design, sure it may be flawed, but its still hung around because it is simply great.
and shame on you again for daring to mock dear old Henry's motor.
SHAME ON YOU!
in 75 years how hard do you think its going to be to get anything done on a triton motor?
i wont say 75 years, becuase i dont know if ill make it that long, but you look me up in say 50 years and i will still have a running flathead powered vehicle, and i can take it out and people will still say, man is that ever cool, just like now. a v10 might find a place in some vehicles, but those are sure not old Ford cars, that is just worng, and not in any kind of good way.
Flatheads have stuck around as long as they have because of the genius of their design, sure it may be flawed, but its still hung around because it is simply great.
and shame on you again for daring to mock dear old Henry's motor.
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Originally Posted by FirstTry
in 75 years how hard do you think its going to be to get anything done on a triton motor?
hey... don't crap on the triton...
in 75 years all of our hunks of junk will be useless. but what will i care...i'll have been planted 20 or so years before that...
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Actually a holley 94 is rated at 150-190 cfm and that is straight from a flathead website. 150/190 x 3 carbs = 450-570 cfm. A 390 cfm is only recommended for a stock flathead. A flathead with a performance camshaft can easily handle 500 cfm. Just like they recommend 500-600 cfm for a stock 302 but a modified one requires 750 cfm.
Ford was smart enough not to use those engines in the big trucks. You've probably driven one of those slower than molasses chevy trucks. You can't go up a 5% grade without downshifting.
As for the future, internal combustion engines will be dead in 25 years. Have fun trying to fill up your flathead. I'll probably will be cruising around in my electric powered truck. The world is always changing and if you don't move along, you will be left behind.
Henry Ford wasn't exactly a perfect. He played both sides of WWII and was incredibly stubborn. Technically Henry Ford was retired and resting peacefully before the 48 and up trucks were built. Do you actually think the Ford family now really cares about the old vehicles? It's only enthusiasts that keep it going. Any vehicle that is 10 years old is rendered obsolete. They are in the business of selling vehicles plain and simple.
Ford was smart enough not to use those engines in the big trucks. You've probably driven one of those slower than molasses chevy trucks. You can't go up a 5% grade without downshifting.
As for the future, internal combustion engines will be dead in 25 years. Have fun trying to fill up your flathead. I'll probably will be cruising around in my electric powered truck. The world is always changing and if you don't move along, you will be left behind.
Henry Ford wasn't exactly a perfect. He played both sides of WWII and was incredibly stubborn. Technically Henry Ford was retired and resting peacefully before the 48 and up trucks were built. Do you actually think the Ford family now really cares about the old vehicles? It's only enthusiasts that keep it going. Any vehicle that is 10 years old is rendered obsolete. They are in the business of selling vehicles plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by 51dueller
Any vehicle that is 10 years old is rendered obsolete. They are in the business of selling vehicles plain and simple.
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Having mulled over this topic, I realized that this thread no longer holds relevance to the original topic and thus holds no purpose anymore. Since this debate has no conclusion in sight so I'm gonna end it now. I'm really a nice guy (you can ask Glen) but this is just one of several occasions where you have worn my patience thin. As there is no resolution to this current predicament at the present, you have been added to my ignore list as of now. Maybe in time this can be resolved but I don't see it in the near future.
Since you seem to always have the "solution" then you won't be requiring any of knowledge or literature. Farewell Ryan.
Since you seem to always have the "solution" then you won't be requiring any of knowledge or literature. Farewell Ryan.
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