1965 f100 - I have decoded the truck and it is supposed to have a 352 4barrel, what is in the truck is a two barrel. The guy I bought it from thinks it is a 390. I have scraped and cleaned looking for an ID number but can't find one. The manifold has the following number cast into it: 4K2 C5AE9425B. Can anyone tell me what this manifold is for?

The truck has a Ford hang on aftermarket air conditioner (pretty rare piece I was told) and the compressor may be blocking the ID number that should be by the distributor.

On another note I grabbed a 74 F100 and I’m stripping it down for the front brakes and power steering, and hope to order the dream bars next week. Today I got the upgrade kit for my Mig to use shielded gas. Hopefully the work starts soon.

Thanks
Lou

 

1965 F100/350 352 2V engine code = D.

No 4 barrel carbs were offered till 1975, and then only on 390's. No F Series truck with a 352 or 360 engine ever came from the factory with a 4 barrel carb.

The 4V intake manifold is from a 1965/66 Ford Galaxie/LTD. it was used on both 352 and 390 engines.

Most of the 352/360/390 engine blocks will be marked 352 (drivers side front). But that doesn't mean that's what size the engine is...it's a raw bare block casting mark only.

Originally there was an engine ID tag mounted near the dizzy, but most of those are long gone.

On sale day, all 352 (and 360) engines suddenly become 390's.

What engine is it? The ONLY to determine that is to measure the stroke.

Which A/C underdash unit do you have? There were two types. One has 4 round outlets with a gray painted background-the same as 1965 Mustangs used.

The other A/C has Select-Aire marked on it, and the underdash unit is chrome, the registers are squarish. This A/C unit was also used in 1963/64 Galaxies, and is the same one my 1965 F100 (and my two 63 Galaxies) have.

If it's an aftermarket A/C, it's not genuine Ford.

Sears, Mark IV and Air Cold Sales' Climatic Air were the usual types used.

 

The 'D" code in the reference book showed a 352 4V here is the complete code from the door:

F10 D L 603468
f10= Series
D 352 4V (what is in my book)
L = Mich Plant
603468 = Made in Oct 64

115 M F100 281 A 08
-115 =Wheelbase
-M =White (yep)
-F100=(yep)
-281 =l Blue interior (yep, but eventualy red)
-A = 3spd Std Duty
-08= 3:50 rear ratio

6000 129 3800 63
-6000=GVW
-129 HP
-3800 at 3800rpm
-63 - Memphis, TN

There are no markings on the engine.

The AC unit I belive has square vents, has the ford blue oval logo on it. Truck is in a garage 25 miles away, so I'm going off memory. It hangs below the dash just above the tranny, which cuts out all room for a floor shift.

The engine seals all need to be replaced and I'd like to add headers, an automatic, and a breakerless ignition, so finding out what this block is will allow me gather parts instead of waiting until I pull the block. The owner knew very little (Chevy man) and said he was told it was a 390.

Thanks.

 

There is no such thing as a 352 4bbl in F-100's

 

I don't know what book you're using to decode the info (from Cars & Parts mebbe?), but IT'S INCORRECT!

I think you need a better one..one that has the correct info..this one sure doesn't!

I'm using the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog...but I don't really need it.

See my sig below. 35 years selling Ford parts, and the 65 F100? I bought it brand new at Stockton Quincy Ford in Westwood Village CA in the spring of 1965. F10DR639XXX


The blue Ford oval was not used on "hang on" A/C units till 1982. Someone prolly stuck it on there.

In fact, you'll see very few blue ovals anywhere on Ford trucks after 1952 thru 1981.

Cars from 1949 thru 1980.

The first Ford car to have a blue oval displayed on the body after 1948 was the 1981 Granada (on the decklid) = Ford p/n: E1DZ-5442528-A

The first Ford truck to have a blue oval displayed since 1952 was on the grilles on 1982's = E2TZ-8213-A

 

You are an endless source of knowledge.
Thanks for all of your help here ND.

 

Bill & JC

The factory shop manual for 65 identifies the D as 352 4V Imagine that Ford fu&$ed up! Its in Mine and apparently his.

So untill Henry crawls out of the grave to correct it its gospel.

Garbz

 

I got the translation from an old ford shop manual the guy gave me with the truck. The AC has Ford Script on it, not a blue oval, my fault. The 129 HP, Yeah, I thought it should be a bit more, maybe I scrolled acorss the book wrong. I believe the engine is the original 352, but again, was told by the seller his Ford guy told him it was a 390. He got the truck from a widow in FL where it sat in a garage for 18 years. No stickers, an aftermarket air cleaner, nothing to positively id the block. Once I yank the AC compressor off I'm hoping to find something. I was hoping teh casting on the intake manifold could shed some light.

 

I already told you what it was. C5AE = 1965 big Ford passenger car. The same 4V intake was used in 1966.

Garbz: What's the printing date on that shop manual? Betcha it's the first printing of August 1964.

It's only gospel in shop manual because of a typo...the parts catalog sez different = 352 2V.

Henry Ford died in 1947, long before the FE engine was introduced (1958). So blame his grandson: Henry "The Deuce" Ford II.

 

September of 64 first printing.... I have a cherry three volume set. It is one of the mistakes in it i have found.

Added the date and the page to my gallery....

So untill proved otherwise all D code F Series were factory four barrels........LOL, and i once bought a 65 shortie F100 with a 352 and a four barrell that looked like it had been in there forever......Yea i know a galaxie transplant......But was it....Maybe the factory guys read the shop manual and were cornfused for the first coupla weeks.....Put four V intakes and carbs on......

Another Myth Busted!

Garbz

 

If FordBoyPete would wiggle his way out of the woodwork he seems to be hiding in, he could tell you that you could special order almost anything from the Ford assembly plants at the time, if you knew the right people in the right places. Also, the year is right that the Galaxie intake and carb could have been installed right at the dealership. Such were the things that happened in them days. But, it was not a standard Ford option, and is a misprint in the manual, obviously.

 

I respect FordBoyPete's opinion, and I miss him...but he's not the only one that knows the score.

In most cases, knowing someone at FoMoCo had nothing to do adding special equipment...from the factory or not.

DSO = DOMESTIC SPECIAL ORDER.

With this option, available from every FoMoCo Dealer on the planet, anything out of the ordinary was possible, even non-Ford aftermarket items could be added like PTO's, special bodies, colors, etc.

But 90% of buyers didn't use the DSO system, so IF Ford installed a 4V intake manifold on a 1965/67 352 truck engine (or 360/390 truck engine 1968/74) at the factory...they were few and far between.

DSO = If the number is 6 digits, something on the vehicle was ordered special.

DSO = If the number is 2 digits, nothing on the vehicle was ordered special.

In most cases, DSO refers to the (Ford) District Sales (Zone) Office...where the original selling dealer ordered the vehicle from.

No 6 digit DSO? The 4V manifold wasn't factory installed, whether you knew someone at FoMoCo...or not.

6 digit DSO = The first 2 digits translate to the Ford District Sales Office. The last 4 digits translate to the Ford invoice number for the special equipment added.

When parts were required for special items, the dealer would contact FoMoCo, and give the 6 digit DSO. Ford would give the dealer the applicable Ford part numbers for the special items, or the original supplier of the equipment.

This same DSO system is used today.

 

LOL Bill good luck on DSO-ing a 5 litre cammer into your new Taurus. Things don't quite work that way any more.

 

Greetings -

Stumbled upon this googling engine id tags. THought I could add my $0.02. Not sure about trucks, but passanger cars of the 1960s could get A/C from the factory with the vents up on the dash (selectaire in 1966) or get a dealer added A/C system that mounted under the dash in the center. You see a lot of these on 1964.5 - 1967 mustangs. Some had a ford crest in the center, others had the mercury man headshot in the center. Typically with 4 vents close together.

If a dealer could add for cars, I am sure they added them to the F-100 series trucks.

At least in cars for 1966, the 352 V-8 was a 4bbl with a Ford 4100 "shoebox" carb. I have seen 1966 F-100s listed with both the 352 and 390 motors. The 390 came as a 390 2 bbl (Thunderbird V-8) "Y" code with standard compression, or as a 390 4 bbl (Thunderbird Special V-8) "Z" code with 10.5:1 compression. At least according to the dealer brochures and shop manual I have.

Hope this helps -

John

 

Bill is the most knowledgable individual that I have found on ANY auto/pickup website - anywhere. and I spend some time on the others - slumming with Chevy's and Dodges - since I love American cars/trucks. but for Fords - we are the luckiest forum in the world to have Bill. In fields such as engineering or computers - you would pay big bucks to have a 'consultant' like this - and this guy is free.
Thanks Bill - for all your years with Ford.
Monty