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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by greythorn3
they are supposed to be stealing new cars with power doorlocks with tennisballs somehow!!

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They have proven that on myth busters as busted
 
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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 08:29 AM
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Can't help but notice that most of these difficulties are with insurers such as Progressive & Esurance - not exactly top of the list
 
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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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> The criminals have known this for years

A lot of them didn't. People stealing stuff with the car's own sun visor (I posted that one about a Taurus before) aren't likely to know, I would agree anyone bringing their own jumper clips or drills probably knows.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootbro
That is a pretty good bubba response. Thought that through much?

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Call me old fashioned but why change a method thats been proven sucessfull time and time again?
 
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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by godblessmud
Call me old fashioned but why change a method thats been proven sucessfull time and time again?
You might want to check your state law. Very few states allow the use of lethal force in defense of physical property.

Ignorance of this could cause you a legal headache if you pop some methhead with your buckshot. If he dies, it is manslaughter. If he lives, at the very least he could sue you and be set on easy street on your dime.\

A 1 second decision on your part could cost you everything you own and up to include your freedom. What is "legal" does not have anything to do with what you perceive as morally right in you actions if choose to shoot someone breaking into a static car and is not a direct physical threat to you or a family member.

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Update:

I dug around and found that Washington State does seem to have some legal wording about defense of physical property when it involves a "felony" act.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?firearms#deadly

Use of Deadly Force <hr noshade="noshade" size="1"> The State code provides that the use of, or attempted use of deadly force upon another person is lawful when used to prevent or attempted to prevent an actual felony against the individual using the force, or against a person in the individual's presence or to prevent an actual felony within the person's home or dwelling. The use of deadly force must be lawful; the individual's actions will be evaluated in light of his or her subjective impressions and all the acts and circumstances known to the individual at the time. The question is whether the shooter's conduct was what a reasonably prudent person would do under the same or similar circumstances as they appeared to the shooter at the time. In some cases, criminal and civil charges may be brought against a person who uses deadly force. If the shooter's action is found to be justified in a criminal case, the defendant's costs will be reimbursed by the state. (RCW 9A.16.050, RCW 9A.16.110)
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.110


http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.050

The impression I get from this, is that they still can refere to you being charged and letting a jury trial determine your guilt.
 

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Old Dec 27, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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wire your ignition switch to a can of gunpowder under the seat so when you leave the car arm the gunpowder.. then flip the switch back to igniton when you get in the car.

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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 09:21 AM
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The way I see it, if you point a scattergun at a thief and they either advance, don't run or don't submit, then they intend to cause you serious bodily harm, at which point deadly force is allowed in many states. Most people will run or submit when faced with the wrong end of a shotgun.

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