New CAFE standards - Discuss
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New CAFE standards - Discuss
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/18/b...l-sign-tomorr/
New Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) are part of an energy bill. Short summary is that the new CAFE standard will be 35 mpg by 2020.
This has the possibility of creating the first significant jump in fuel economy since the 80's. It will force vehicle manufacturers to produce lighter and more fuel efficent vehicles.
Even though this won't be a law in Canada, where I am, it will greatly influence the types of cars availible for sale. I am pleased!
New Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) are part of an energy bill. Short summary is that the new CAFE standard will be 35 mpg by 2020.
This has the possibility of creating the first significant jump in fuel economy since the 80's. It will force vehicle manufacturers to produce lighter and more fuel efficent vehicles.
Even though this won't be a law in Canada, where I am, it will greatly influence the types of cars availible for sale. I am pleased!
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It won't help us any, the more gas we save, the higher the price will go. Big oil isn't about to give up it's profit margine. If they sell less, they will just ask more for what they do sell. The consumer is in a no win situation untill we find something else to burn besides oil. When oil has competetion, then the price will go down, as long as oil is the only game in town, they will make the rules. So if you get 20 mpg at 3 bucks a gallon or 35 mpg at 5 bucks a gallon, we still loose.
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If it forces Ford to rid its vehicles of the pork they've been piling on for the past 15-20 years in options or force them to reconfigure some of their ordering rules allowing you to get certain options exclusive of less efficient engines, I'm all for it. I've never liked the stance most manufacturers have taken on forcing you into a more expensive vehicle or larger engine just to add some interior option.
I've got mixed feelings about CAFE, but so there has been so much resistance about really advancing fuel economy or making it a priority in the automotive field, this was almost unavoidable. People haven't been looking at the bigger picture and have continued to make poor economic decisions when it comes to the vehicles they drive, so this is what you get. Folks have been making stupid excuses against driving fuel efficient vehicles for too long in this country and so far there's no reversal of that trend from what I can see.
The ethanol requirement is nothing more than a hidden farm subsidy. Of course this bill did nothing to address our domestic oil and refining capacity, which is the direst solution needed in the near to mid-term.
I've got mixed feelings about CAFE, but so there has been so much resistance about really advancing fuel economy or making it a priority in the automotive field, this was almost unavoidable. People haven't been looking at the bigger picture and have continued to make poor economic decisions when it comes to the vehicles they drive, so this is what you get. Folks have been making stupid excuses against driving fuel efficient vehicles for too long in this country and so far there's no reversal of that trend from what I can see.
The ethanol requirement is nothing more than a hidden farm subsidy. Of course this bill did nothing to address our domestic oil and refining capacity, which is the direst solution needed in the near to mid-term.
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I don't like that move. Companies will be building small cars just to balance fuel economy. GM for example can use same small car and sell them as Saturn, Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, and even Cadillac and count them as 5 different cars for fuel economy purposes. So this will create nothing good.
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CAFE stands for corporate average fuel economy. In other words all your vehicles averaged out must equal 35 mpg. so for a quick example, you can have a truck that gets 20 mpg as long as you have a car that gets 50mpg to equal 35.
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I think we're long overdue for the increase. Back when the original CAFE standards were proposed the Domestics bemoaned about the higher MPG requirements giving all kinds of crap excuses why it couldn't be done. Fast forward 20yrs and now cars are more fuel efficient and FASTER than they ever were. CASE IN POINT a new Honda Accord with a V6 is as fast 0-60 as a 70 model 427 Corvette.
Or look at it from a different angle back in the late 80's when full sized trucks started sporting fuel injection it wasn't uncommon to get 18 to 20 mpg from a V8 truck. Now 20 yrs later full sized trucks are still doing good to hit 20mpg. But the diffrence between then and now is modern trucks have almost TWICE the power of older models.
Or look at it from a different angle back in the late 80's when full sized trucks started sporting fuel injection it wasn't uncommon to get 18 to 20 mpg from a V8 truck. Now 20 yrs later full sized trucks are still doing good to hit 20mpg. But the diffrence between then and now is modern trucks have almost TWICE the power of older models.
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Originally Posted by Krochus
Or look at it from a different angle back in the late 80's when full sized trucks started sporting fuel injection it wasn't uncommon to get 18 to 20 mpg from a V8 truck. Now 20 yrs later full sized trucks are still doing good to hit 20mpg. But the diffrence between then and now is modern trucks have almost TWICE the power of older models.
The manufacturers have responded by making larger engines part of option packages. So if you want leather, you need a larger engine etc.
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Originally Posted by phatpharm85
CAFE stands for corporate average fuel economy. In other words all your vehicles averaged out must equal 35 mpg. so for a quick example, you can have a truck that gets 20 mpg as long as you have a car that gets 50mpg to equal 35.
So if you sell two cars that get 50 mpg, and one sports car that gets 10 mpg, your CAFE is 36.7 mpg.
Originally Posted by Red Star
Companies will be building small cars just to balance fuel economy. GM for example can use same small car and sell them as Saturn, Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, and even Cadillac and count them as 5 different cars for fuel economy purposes. So this will create nothing good.
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Further reading on how the previous version of CAFE worked.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/cafe/overview.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/cafe/overview.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy
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Originally Posted by seventyseven250
It has nothing to do with how many models a company sells, so GM doesn't get any credit for selling three diffferent version of the same car. They may build small cars to average out the fleet economy, but they have to sell them for it to count. This could mean that they will lower the price of smaller cars to sell more.
So this new standard will not change anything. There will still be a lot of big cars on the road.
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Originally Posted by hofuf
Anytime the government gets involved in something such as this it will not have the results that were expected. The market should control the vehicles we purchase.