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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 10:05 PM
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Timing trouble

Hi, I have a stock 1971 old distributor in my 351m and i tunned and checked the timming once i started the engine, seemed fine and sounded preetty fast, but after an hour of running i could tell by the sound it made by turning it off and starting it again (slow and retarded ignition) (besides the obvious loss in power) that it retarded it self. I thought at first it could be the alternator but the readings are fine, then the battery, I tried 4 already. Also without touching it, I leave the engine for 30 minutes alone, start it again and timming goes back to normal. what could be causing this ? thanx
 
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Old Dec 12, 2007 | 09:15 AM
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I think you need to get a timing light so you can be sure if the timing is changing and where it is set.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 09:22 AM
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could possibly be a stretched timing chain
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 05:49 PM
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hmmm, could it?, that could make sense....
 
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Old Dec 14, 2007 | 03:30 PM
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thats not it the chains fine, what else could it be?
 
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Old Dec 14, 2007 | 07:44 PM
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Did you check it with a light yet?
 
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Old Dec 15, 2007 | 09:26 AM
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yep, and it reads at first 12bbtw then goes to 4, till the engine is soretarded that it takes like 5 min to start. Im buying a new distributer but what if it si something else?
 
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Old Dec 15, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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That's really odd. That almost sounds like the distributor isn't bolted down tight enough. Or maybe it is tightened, but somehow the distributor is rotating anyway. On my truck, I can't take my hand off of the distributor once I've got it set, until I tighten down the bolt first, otherwise it will move on me. I really don't know if a new distributor is going to help, but if you're 100% sure the timing chain is OK, that is probably what I would be doing too. Unless, perhaps, the distributor hold-down clamp is warped and it's not holding on to the distributor, like I first alluded to. Can't say I've seen that happen before, though.
 

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Old Dec 15, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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yeah its pretty wierd. Ill get a new distributer and see what happens.....
 
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 06:15 PM
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is the vacuum advance working properly/ Just a thought
 
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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yeah it is, and ive driven my car alot without it nad never got this sympthoms
 
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Old Dec 17, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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With that year dist. I am assuming it is points. The plate that moves for vac advance is what the points are mounted to and the piviot bushing gets woreout and moves around it changes the point gap. And it will affect the timing.
 

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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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yes it is, it coud be it, anyways im changing it this week and ill let you know how it goes...
 
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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I wonder if there's something going on with the vacuum advance. Try measuring the amount of vacuum you're getting at the point where the vacuum advance piping connects to the distributor. It could be that there's something clogging the plumbing. It could be slowly building vacuum through the clog and then slowly releasing it later.
 
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