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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 11:25 AM
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302 cam ?'s

Ok, I've got a cam question for all you camshaft guru's. I'm building a mild 302 and want to figure out the best cam. It's a low mileage 72 shortbed truck, so the engine is only 8.2:1 compression. I'm installing some 1968 4barrel heads with a 53.2cc combustion chamber (factory is 58) so I think the compression will be around 8.8:1. I am using a Weiand dual plane intake and headers with 2.25" duals/ flowmasters. The heads have the factory press in studs, but if i have to I could have them machined for screw in studs. So what do you think? Duration? Lift? Basically I want the biggest thing that these engine specs will work well with.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 12:10 PM
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Either Comp Cams XE250 or XE256 should work with no worries - valve lift is ~.45 - .49 and they'll work with stock springs (although you should go ahead and get the K-kit, IMO).
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 03:24 PM
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Something wrong with your numbers. If the motor has stock pistons and it's a '72 302-2v the 58cc heads will give a 9.5:1 CR, and the 53cc heads will result in 10:1 CR. The cam you pick will be determined by the powerband you want, but generally with that much compression you can get away with longer duration... a 280 duration cam with at least 0.500" lift would be a good starting point I would think.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
Something wrong with your numbers. If the motor has stock pistons and it's a '72 302-2v the 58cc heads will give a 9.5:1 CR, and the 53cc heads will result in 10:1 CR. The cam you pick will be determined by the powerband you want, but generally with that much compression you can get away with longer duration... a 280 duration cam with at least 0.500" lift would be a good starting point I would think.
I wish you were right, but I don't think you are. I have a small block builders book that says the same thing (9.5:1 with 58cc heads) but it pertains to a car 302. According to my 1971-78 Chiltons Van and Truck repair manual, the truck 302's are 8.2:1 compression in 1972, dropping from 8.6:1 in 1971. From what I've gathered the difference in compression was accomplished via dished pistons. I was hoping the heads were bigger, but unless someone can help out and prove me otherwise i believe the 2v heads were all the same.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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what do the pistons look like....and how far down the cylinders are they at TDC. Got any pics.....?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEater
what do the pistons look like....and how far down the cylinders are they at TDC. Got any pics.....?
No, I haven't even had it apart yet. It's a low mileage engine that runs like a top; I'm just gonna do some bolt-ons and such to perk it up a bit, so I have no idea if it has dished pistons or not, but I'm guessing it does. The truck engines back then were always lower compression and lower hp, and I'm pretty sure thats how they did it.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 05:14 AM
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just a little note not all books will give the same info.....compression HP etc.

what's the date code and casting number on the block....? it's up by the starter on the block
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEater
just a little note not all books will give the same info.....compression HP etc.

what's the date code and casting number on the block....? it's up by the starter on the block
I dunno, later on I'll get down there with a wire brush and a flashlight and check.

In the mean time, it's such a mild build, I'm considering just keeping the stock cam and adding a set of 1.7 ratio rockers for a little more lift.

Any opinions on 1.7 ratio rockers? How much lift they will add?
 
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well lets say you have .450 lift at the valve with 1.6 rockers.... we need to get the lobe lift so .450/1.60 = .28125

now X that by 1.7 so .28125 X 1.7= .478125 valve lift
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEater
well lets say you have .450 lift at the valve with 1.6 rockers.... we need to get the lobe lift so .450/1.60 = .28125

now X that by 1.7 so .28125 X 1.7= .478125 valve lift
Well that's a pretty good increase; do you know somewhere I may be able to find the factory cam specs?
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEater
just a little note not all books will give the same info.....compression HP etc.

what's the date code and casting number on the block....? it's up by the starter on the block
It looks like the number is D2OE. It was really caked and hard to read, but I think thats what it says.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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there should be another number......

Thats a 72 casting but it might have been done in 75...
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 03:33 PM
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Yeah, I've been looking in my book and at other sources and I can't find that as a block casting, only a head casting. I guess I'm gonna have to pull the starter down and brush that area clean with some degreaser.
 
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take a peek in here...
http://www.classicmustang.com/decoding_part_numbers.htm
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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72 302 will have an 8 to 1 comp ratio. He's dead on with that. And the XE series comp cams do not work well with pressed in rocker studs, Comp recommends against this combo. The 54 cc heads will perk the ratio up to about what he's figured. If you want a cam that'll work with what you've got, go with the Comp 268H, it'll work with the studs, springs and comp ratio.
 
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