Clifford 270 cam
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Clifford 270 cam
Noticed you got a Clifford 270H cam and am thinking of installing either it or Clifford's RV grind -- which by the specs, seems to be REAL close. I've got a '65 F150 stock and am adding Clifford headers, the cam and thinking about 19# injectors with a filter charger. Right now I've got BFG 31x10.50s and 3.55s, but am thinking of switching to 4.10s and 33x12.50s. My question is with the cam -- I want at least and preferably more bottom end and I want a good mid-range too. A rep at Clifford recommended the 270 over the 264 because he said they were so close. I was thinking that with the 4.10s, the injectors and the filter charger -- the 270 might be just fine -- even with the 33s. IE, the better breathing will increease the bottom end along with everything else.
How do you like the 270? What do you think about the 19# injectors? Will I need a chip to make it all work?
Gordon Cole
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How do you like the 270? What do you think about the 19# injectors? Will I need a chip to make it all work?
Gordon Cole
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Gordon: I drive a '91 4.9L F-150, converted to 4wd from 2wd, 31x10.50-15, dropped from 3.55 to 4.10s.
Low end is incredible--so is highway MPG--2,700 RPM at 70 MPH.
In the stop'n'go daily Grand Prix, the 4.10 is a wonderful gear, effortless starts, etc--However, I'm about to move outside the city, i.e., a long commute to my office, i.e., horrible gas bills, so I am reluctantly trying to trade the rear 4.10 R&P only, and the front '86 Dana 44 TTB 4.10 R&P and carrier for a 3.55 front R&P and carrier.
Dan Mudinford: The last I heard from Evan re: a package of parts he's sending me was last Tuesday, the day the pond scum did the World Trade Towers, and he was uncertain of the package's status. He tossed in your Rhoads Lifters, so as soon as it gets here I'll either bring your package up or send it.
Eddie
Low end is incredible--so is highway MPG--2,700 RPM at 70 MPH.
In the stop'n'go daily Grand Prix, the 4.10 is a wonderful gear, effortless starts, etc--However, I'm about to move outside the city, i.e., a long commute to my office, i.e., horrible gas bills, so I am reluctantly trying to trade the rear 4.10 R&P only, and the front '86 Dana 44 TTB 4.10 R&P and carrier for a 3.55 front R&P and carrier.
Dan Mudinford: The last I heard from Evan re: a package of parts he's sending me was last Tuesday, the day the pond scum did the World Trade Towers, and he was uncertain of the package's status. He tossed in your Rhoads Lifters, so as soon as it gets here I'll either bring your package up or send it.
Eddie
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Yeah...been talking to Evan on this MSN pager thingie for lack of a better term. There is no rush and if you made a trip, would love to see/ride in the truck.
Gordo....Do the 270*...its a good grind. I still had lots of low-end and had better lungs in the upper. You can also do what i am going to try and run the Rhoads lifters. They make the cam work 20* less before 2000 to 2500 RPM. SO your 270 would act like a 250* untill 2000ish and then would pump up to the full 270*. Im out....
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Gordo....Do the 270*...its a good grind. I still had lots of low-end and had better lungs in the upper. You can also do what i am going to try and run the Rhoads lifters. They make the cam work 20* less before 2000 to 2500 RPM. SO your 270 would act like a 250* untill 2000ish and then would pump up to the full 270*. Im out....
Dan "Mudinford" MacDonald
Rather be pushing a Ford than driving a Chevy.
Like A Rock......In Water!
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Eddie,
What transmission are you running? Mine's a 5 speed and I was hoping for a little lower RPM at 70, as I do a fair amount of highway driving too -- especially getting to where I really get off-road. I was planning to go to the 33s because they look so cool, but I'm debating whether to stay with the 3:55s and 31s. The $$ is not a HUGE issue -- but it's an issue. The excessive highway rpm is a bigger issue because the trucks a hog as it is. Appreciate any input. gcole2000(No Email Addresses In Posts!)
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What transmission are you running? Mine's a 5 speed and I was hoping for a little lower RPM at 70, as I do a fair amount of highway driving too -- especially getting to where I really get off-road. I was planning to go to the 33s because they look so cool, but I'm debating whether to stay with the 3:55s and 31s. The $$ is not a HUGE issue -- but it's an issue. The excessive highway rpm is a bigger issue because the trucks a hog as it is. Appreciate any input. gcole2000(No Email Addresses In Posts!)
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Ed's running a NP435 between an Advanced Adaptors o/d box and a twin sticked NP205..... Heh, I know what three shifters are like, but, 4 must really be confusing to theives.....
Evan MacDonald
82 F100 FlareSide 4wd
HD 300-6 9.5:1 CR
Clifford 270H cam
Hedman Hedder
SBC valved 66 240 head
Headlight Relays - Delanty Style
NP435(6.69 low)
Twin Stick NP 205
3.55 Geared ARB'd 9" & Trac-Locked TTB
31x10.50/15 Cooper Discoverer LT's
Evan MacDonald
82 F100 FlareSide 4wd
HD 300-6 9.5:1 CR
Clifford 270H cam
Hedman Hedder
SBC valved 66 240 head
Headlight Relays - Delanty Style
NP435(6.69 low)
Twin Stick NP 205
3.55 Geared ARB'd 9" & Trac-Locked TTB
31x10.50/15 Cooper Discoverer LT's
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Have you thought about trying to adapt an old overdrive off of a 60's vitage 3 speed? to the fancy new trany of yours? or is your transfer case mounted right up to your trany? The tansfer case and transmission are seperated enough that one of those old overdrives would fit my 74 3/4 ton 4X4. I have one on my 66.
Herman
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Again, answering for Ed, both his truck and mine have married t-cases, bolted directly to the tranny. Only mine has a shorter drivetrain......
Evan MacDonald
82 F100 FlareSide 4wd
HD 300-6 9.5:1 CR
Clifford 270H cam
Hedman Hedder
SBC valved 66 240 head
Headlight Relays - Delanty Style
NP435(6.69 low)
NP 205
3.55 Geared ARB'd 9" & Trac-Locked TTB
31x10.50/15 Cooper Discoverer LT's
Evan MacDonald
82 F100 FlareSide 4wd
HD 300-6 9.5:1 CR
Clifford 270H cam
Hedman Hedder
SBC valved 66 240 head
Headlight Relays - Delanty Style
NP435(6.69 low)
NP 205
3.55 Geared ARB'd 9" & Trac-Locked TTB
31x10.50/15 Cooper Discoverer LT's
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Actually, it's not that confusing once you learn the lever sequence estimate and select the overall gearing combo the truck likes at a particular speed.
Usually, that works out like this: Clutch, start off in 2nd Direct, Third Direct, Third OD, shift both levers, 4th Direct,
Direct OD.
The twin-stick conversion on the T-case isn't too weird once used a few times, especially since you have to be stopped to do it. Its primary value to me is a slow-slow reverse gear for backing my 27-foot travel trailer--Boy does that make it easy, no clutch except start off and stop.
Why didn't I use a '60's OD off a 3-spd.? Does "oops" cover it?
Besides, that AA OD box started out in the mid-'60's as a Warner Gear offering...does that make it OK?
Then there's this: I procured and self-overhauled all this stuff for approximately 33% more than getting the inadequate Mazda rebuilt, carry-out exhange, self removed and installed.
Besides, I had an interesting project there for a year or so; kept me out of the pool halls and houses of ill repute...
Eddie
Usually, that works out like this: Clutch, start off in 2nd Direct, Third Direct, Third OD, shift both levers, 4th Direct,
Direct OD.
The twin-stick conversion on the T-case isn't too weird once used a few times, especially since you have to be stopped to do it. Its primary value to me is a slow-slow reverse gear for backing my 27-foot travel trailer--Boy does that make it easy, no clutch except start off and stop.
Why didn't I use a '60's OD off a 3-spd.? Does "oops" cover it?
Besides, that AA OD box started out in the mid-'60's as a Warner Gear offering...does that make it OK?
Then there's this: I procured and self-overhauled all this stuff for approximately 33% more than getting the inadequate Mazda rebuilt, carry-out exhange, self removed and installed.
Besides, I had an interesting project there for a year or so; kept me out of the pool halls and houses of ill repute...
Eddie
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So how did we get from cams to talking about Eddies Truck Undies? haha.....not that i care at all....i want to see this rigged up monstrosity and watch Big Ed sweat through all the bells and whistles of a highway merge! Haha....anyway...dont have any thing else intelligent to say....
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You shall have your chance, Dan Fordinmud, after I get deliverywhen I bring you your Rhoads lifters.
Truck "undies"...isn't that how all this started, with a certain TTB front end?
BTW--There's a rumor going around that you shut yourself in your closet in the dark and chant, "See the USA, in your Chevrolet...Bowtie, bowtie, bowtie"; I won't tell anybody, though.
Eddie
Truck "undies"...isn't that how all this started, with a certain TTB front end?
BTW--There's a rumor going around that you shut yourself in your closet in the dark and chant, "See the USA, in your Chevrolet...Bowtie, bowtie, bowtie"; I won't tell anybody, though.
Eddie
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 28-Sep-01 AT 09:58 AM (EST)[/font][p]I hope you get that stuff soon.... I have the cheque from Dan...
Heh, and, I wonder why you have 4 shifters instead of three??
Could I have had something to do with that now? ;-)
I've heard that rumor too, I hope it ain't true....
I've also heard that that chant was V8 instead of bowtie..... ;-)
Evan MacDonald
82 F100 FlareSide 4wd
HD 300-6 9.5:1 CR
Clifford 270H cam
Hedman Hedder
SBC valved 66 240 head
Headlight Relays - Delanty Style
NP435(6.69 low)
NP 205
3.55 Geared ARB'd 9" & Trac-Locked TTB
31x10.50/15 Cooper Discoverer LT's
Heh, and, I wonder why you have 4 shifters instead of three??
Could I have had something to do with that now? ;-)
I've heard that rumor too, I hope it ain't true....
I've also heard that that chant was V8 instead of bowtie..... ;-)
Evan MacDonald
82 F100 FlareSide 4wd
HD 300-6 9.5:1 CR
Clifford 270H cam
Hedman Hedder
SBC valved 66 240 head
Headlight Relays - Delanty Style
NP435(6.69 low)
NP 205
3.55 Geared ARB'd 9" & Trac-Locked TTB
31x10.50/15 Cooper Discoverer LT's
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Evan, you may have full credit for drawing the line in the sand, being the final straw, laying the smacketh dow, etc ad nauseum.
The Twin Stick 205 article "4Wheel & Offroad Magazine" lit the fire, and your comment "Twin-Sticked It This Weekend" threw 98% nitro fuel on it!
What timing: I had the 205 on the bench, gears, forks, and shift rails installed, ready for final trim out; linkage and bracketing had been reworked so the single shift lever would poke through the floor pan in the stock '91 location. I was turning over the idea of Twin-Sticking mine all the time I was overhauling it, then came your post--BLIP!
Eddie then scraps reworked linkage, spends a bunch of money and time dreaming up factory-looking install, and once I build the console to tie all these levers together in a unified package, I think it'll look dynamite. I've been assembling parts for that, and I'll do the drafting this weekend.
BTW, I shortened the Twin-Sticks quite a bit, and the little lever ball is all you see of them above the boot, not obtrusive or obnoxious at all.
Eddie
The Twin Stick 205 article "4Wheel & Offroad Magazine" lit the fire, and your comment "Twin-Sticked It This Weekend" threw 98% nitro fuel on it!
What timing: I had the 205 on the bench, gears, forks, and shift rails installed, ready for final trim out; linkage and bracketing had been reworked so the single shift lever would poke through the floor pan in the stock '91 location. I was turning over the idea of Twin-Sticking mine all the time I was overhauling it, then came your post--BLIP!
Eddie then scraps reworked linkage, spends a bunch of money and time dreaming up factory-looking install, and once I build the console to tie all these levers together in a unified package, I think it'll look dynamite. I've been assembling parts for that, and I'll do the drafting this weekend.
BTW, I shortened the Twin-Sticks quite a bit, and the little lever ball is all you see of them above the boot, not obtrusive or obnoxious at all.
Eddie
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<-----what up with the posting #? i got more than 14...huh...must do that when i use a different comp...o well...
Dan "Mudinford" MacDonald
Rather be pushing a Ford than driving a Chevy.
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Dan "Mudinford" MacDonald
Rather be pushing a Ford than driving a Chevy.
Like A Rock......In Water!