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registration requirements
I was talking to Dmptrkr the other day about registering our trucks. He's moving to another state and didn't know what was required in the new state to register his trucks.
Here in WI it's fairly easy to get a vehicle registered as long as you have a title, even if it's not from the same vehicle, just as long as it is for the same type vehicle. This may not be totally legal but I know many people who have done it. If you don't have a title it's next to impossible to have it retitled, even with a Bill of Sale. I have titled vehicles in my name by going down to the DMV with just the title, I didn't have to bring the vehicle with me. I just filled out the form and got a title and license in my name. We need vehicles registered to be able to park them in our yards. In most cases as long as the vehicle is registered it can be parked, even if it's a relic. I even had a title for a truck I got rid of many years ago recently registered to me because some one I knew needed a title. It was signed over to me when I bought the truck but not registered at the time. I just told the DMV I had the truck parked for ten years and needed the registration because I was going to sale it.
I have heard a lot of people in other states say they have to take their vehicle down to either the DMV or State Police to have the numbers verified when they registered it. My question for those states is what happens if the numbers on the VIN plates don't match the frame numbers or the engine? All of my trucks are made up of multiple trucks, just like many others on the board. Nothing matches. What happens if you use a different frame because your original frame was wrecked or rusted out? This must also apply to you who have stubbed your frame with a different clip like a Mustang or Volare.
I'm just curious what kind of hoops you have to jump through to register your trucks. We don't even have a yearly inspection like many states. We used to when I was a kid. It was a joke though, I remember my dad asking a cop friend to inspect his car. All he did was hand my dad a signed inspection slip and my dad went on his way.
Here in WI it's fairly easy to get a vehicle registered as long as you have a title, even if it's not from the same vehicle, just as long as it is for the same type vehicle. This may not be totally legal but I know many people who have done it. If you don't have a title it's next to impossible to have it retitled, even with a Bill of Sale. I have titled vehicles in my name by going down to the DMV with just the title, I didn't have to bring the vehicle with me. I just filled out the form and got a title and license in my name. We need vehicles registered to be able to park them in our yards. In most cases as long as the vehicle is registered it can be parked, even if it's a relic. I even had a title for a truck I got rid of many years ago recently registered to me because some one I knew needed a title. It was signed over to me when I bought the truck but not registered at the time. I just told the DMV I had the truck parked for ten years and needed the registration because I was going to sale it.
I have heard a lot of people in other states say they have to take their vehicle down to either the DMV or State Police to have the numbers verified when they registered it. My question for those states is what happens if the numbers on the VIN plates don't match the frame numbers or the engine? All of my trucks are made up of multiple trucks, just like many others on the board. Nothing matches. What happens if you use a different frame because your original frame was wrecked or rusted out? This must also apply to you who have stubbed your frame with a different clip like a Mustang or Volare.
I'm just curious what kind of hoops you have to jump through to register your trucks. We don't even have a yearly inspection like many states. We used to when I was a kid. It was a joke though, I remember my dad asking a cop friend to inspect his car. All he did was hand my dad a signed inspection slip and my dad went on his way.
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Here in New Mexico it can be a pain in the rear, depending on which unfriendly, mustached, complete lack of personality, mean, hateful, Department of Motor Vehicles ladies you are talking to on any given day.
If the vehicle comes from out of state then they want to physically inspect the VIN#. If its an in-state sale then all you need is the paper work. For nomal transactions, the title signed over and dated is all you need to get it registered in your name (if you wanted it licensed as well you need proof of insurance).
On my truck I didn't have a title. I had to fill out a Bill of Sale (read---forge a bill of sale....lol). I had to have the truck inspected to verify the VIN# and run the number through the NCIC, once it was determined that it wasn't stolen anywhere in the country I had to geet a Surety Bond ($100) and then I could get it registered.
Normally they just go by the VIN# and not pay much attention to the engine# etc (sometimes with boats they do).
For trucks that are cobbled together I think we have some special forms to fill out (thats if you can get someone at DMV to give you a straight answer)
A few years ago it was fairly easy, if you had a vehicle you didn't have the paperwork on you could apply for a duplicate title for a small fee. Then you could track down the owner and have him sign it (or...cleverly sign it yourself in their name) then register it. I guess too may people were "stealing" cars that way, now only the registered owner can apply for a duplicate title.
The biggest headache here is finding a helpful person at DMV. Naturally you can't call and ask them a question because you have to "press 1 for English" etc.
Like anything else, when dealing with a bureaucracy its a no win situation
Bobby
If the vehicle comes from out of state then they want to physically inspect the VIN#. If its an in-state sale then all you need is the paper work. For nomal transactions, the title signed over and dated is all you need to get it registered in your name (if you wanted it licensed as well you need proof of insurance).
On my truck I didn't have a title. I had to fill out a Bill of Sale (read---forge a bill of sale....lol). I had to have the truck inspected to verify the VIN# and run the number through the NCIC, once it was determined that it wasn't stolen anywhere in the country I had to geet a Surety Bond ($100) and then I could get it registered.
Normally they just go by the VIN# and not pay much attention to the engine# etc (sometimes with boats they do).
For trucks that are cobbled together I think we have some special forms to fill out (thats if you can get someone at DMV to give you a straight answer)
A few years ago it was fairly easy, if you had a vehicle you didn't have the paperwork on you could apply for a duplicate title for a small fee. Then you could track down the owner and have him sign it (or...cleverly sign it yourself in their name) then register it. I guess too may people were "stealing" cars that way, now only the registered owner can apply for a duplicate title.
The biggest headache here is finding a helpful person at DMV. Naturally you can't call and ask them a question because you have to "press 1 for English" etc.
Like anything else, when dealing with a bureaucracy its a no win situation
Bobby
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Originally Posted by bobj49f2
I was talking to Dmptrkr the other day about registering our trucks. He's moving to another state and didn't know what was required in the new state to register his trucks.
Here in WI it's fairly easy to get a vehicle registered as long as you have a title, even if it's not from the same vehicle, just as long as it is for the same type vehicle. This may not be totally legal but I know many people who have done it. If you don't have a title it's next to impossible to have it retitled, even with a Bill of Sale. I have titled vehicles in my name by going down to the DMV with just the title, I didn't have to bring the vehicle with me. I just filled out the form and got a title and license in my name. We need vehicles registered to be able to park them in our yards. In most cases as long as the vehicle is registered it can be parked, even if it's a relic. I even had a title for a truck I got rid of many years ago recently registered to me because some one I knew needed a title. It was signed over to me when I bought the truck but not registered at the time. I just told the DMV I had the truck parked for ten years and needed the registration because I was going to sale it.
I have heard a lot of people in other states say they have to take their vehicle down to either the DMV or State Police to have the numbers verified when they registered it. My question for those states is what happens if the numbers on the VIN plates don't match the frame numbers or the engine? All of my trucks are made up of multiple trucks, just like many others on the board. Nothing matches. What happens if you use a different frame because your original frame was wrecked or rusted out? This must also apply to you who have stubbed your frame with a different clip like a Mustang or Volare.
I'm just curious what kind of hoops you have to jump through to register your trucks. We don't even have a yearly inspection like many states. We used to when I was a kid. It was a joke though, I remember my dad asking a cop friend to inspect his car. All he did was hand my dad a signed inspection slip and my dad went on his way.
Here in WI it's fairly easy to get a vehicle registered as long as you have a title, even if it's not from the same vehicle, just as long as it is for the same type vehicle. This may not be totally legal but I know many people who have done it. If you don't have a title it's next to impossible to have it retitled, even with a Bill of Sale. I have titled vehicles in my name by going down to the DMV with just the title, I didn't have to bring the vehicle with me. I just filled out the form and got a title and license in my name. We need vehicles registered to be able to park them in our yards. In most cases as long as the vehicle is registered it can be parked, even if it's a relic. I even had a title for a truck I got rid of many years ago recently registered to me because some one I knew needed a title. It was signed over to me when I bought the truck but not registered at the time. I just told the DMV I had the truck parked for ten years and needed the registration because I was going to sale it.
I have heard a lot of people in other states say they have to take their vehicle down to either the DMV or State Police to have the numbers verified when they registered it. My question for those states is what happens if the numbers on the VIN plates don't match the frame numbers or the engine? All of my trucks are made up of multiple trucks, just like many others on the board. Nothing matches. What happens if you use a different frame because your original frame was wrecked or rusted out? This must also apply to you who have stubbed your frame with a different clip like a Mustang or Volare.
I'm just curious what kind of hoops you have to jump through to register your trucks. We don't even have a yearly inspection like many states. We used to when I was a kid. It was a joke though, I remember my dad asking a cop friend to inspect his car. All he did was hand my dad a signed inspection slip and my dad went on his way.
there are cases where the vin plate tracing may be required.
additionally, you may be required to get annual inspections,
except for this list:
15.01 Vehicles Exempt from Inspection
1. Equipment:
a. Road-Building Equipment
b. Farm Machinery
*c. Trailers
*d. Semitrailers
*e. Pole Trailers
*f. Mobile Homes
g. Any Vehicle required to Display a Slow-Moving Vehicle Emblem *When the actual gross weight or registered gross weight is 4,500 pounds or less.
2. A vehicle with one of the following type Texas license plates:
a. Paper Dealer Demonstration/In-transit/Converter Tag
b. Parade License
c. Former Military Vehicle License
d. In-Transit License
e. Machinery License
f. Disaster License
g. Farm Trailer License
h. Permit License
i. Antique License
j. Charitable Organization Tag
k. All-Terrain Vehicle Validation Sticker
3. A vehicle with one of the following Texas permits:
a. Factory Delivery Permits
b. Prorate Tabs
c. One-Trip Permits
d. Temporary 24-Hour Permits
e. Mobile drilling and servicing equipment used in gas, oil, or crude production having a 72- or 144-Hour Permit
if you are in a tag class that requires inspections, you may also live in a county that requires emissions checks.
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Bob , all the DMV people want to see is that the ID plate on your truck matches the VIN on the title . I had the local gestapo stop by for a verification check . The truck is a '52 1/2 t and the title was from a '52 F-5 . He just wanted to see if the #'s matched . He was not intelligent enough to check what the numbers meant . Will do this again on the current '52 resto project . Am going to use the same I.D. plate and title . Both are the same color . One is stored of the property .
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The best way to describe the Process in Pennsylvania is;
You have to jump thru a bunch of hoops, while blindfolded, on a bed of tacks, with your feet shackled Oh, and with a plate of burning Dog Poop clenched between your teeth.
However, if you don't go thru the above process and get caught, it's gonna get bad.
You have to jump thru a bunch of hoops, while blindfolded, on a bed of tacks, with your feet shackled Oh, and with a plate of burning Dog Poop clenched between your teeth.
However, if you don't go thru the above process and get caught, it's gonna get bad.
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Originally Posted by firstrider
Bob , all the DMV people want to see is that the ID plate on your truck matches the VIN on the title . I had the local gestapo stop by for a verification check . The truck is a '52 1/2 t and the title was from a '52 F-5 . He just wanted to see if the #'s matched . He was not intelligent enough to check what the numbers meant . Will do this again on the current '52 resto project . Am going to use the same I.D. plate and title . Both are the same color . One is stored of the property .
If you go to "user CP", then "Personal Profile", then scroll way down to "location" and enter the info, it will show up in the header of your posts.
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One more question, in legal terminology it may referred to as sub-section (a) of question (1):
How do you register your trucks? In WI they give us a variety of ways to go.
A) Regular vehicle, you pay the same fees as your daily driver.
B) "Vintage" plates, which are available for 1945 or older model vehicles that have not been altered or modified from the manufacturer’s original specifications. The vehicle may only be used for special occasions such as display and parade purposes. These are a one time payment of $5, non-expiring.
C) "Collector", which are issued for vehicles 20 years or older that have not been altered or modified from manufacturer’s specifications. Must have another vehicle currently registered. Cannot be operated during the month of January without a temporary plate. One-time $50 application fee plus twice the annual registration fee for the vehicle type being registered. Truck type vehicles with Collector plates cannot haul more than 500 pounds.
D) "Hobbist", which are issued for reconstructed or street modified vehicles 20 years or older, for replica vehicles 20 years or older or for homemade vehicles. Must have another vehicle currently registered. Cannot be operated during the month of January without a temporary plate. One-time $50 application fee plus twice the annual registration fee for the vehicle type being registered.
I register all my trucks under the Collector tag since they're all pretty much stock. I have seen vehicles with huge tires, custom paint jobs and blown engines with the Collector tags, I think they might be stretching the definition of "manufacturer’s specifications".
How do you register your trucks? In WI they give us a variety of ways to go.
A) Regular vehicle, you pay the same fees as your daily driver.
B) "Vintage" plates, which are available for 1945 or older model vehicles that have not been altered or modified from the manufacturer’s original specifications. The vehicle may only be used for special occasions such as display and parade purposes. These are a one time payment of $5, non-expiring.
C) "Collector", which are issued for vehicles 20 years or older that have not been altered or modified from manufacturer’s specifications. Must have another vehicle currently registered. Cannot be operated during the month of January without a temporary plate. One-time $50 application fee plus twice the annual registration fee for the vehicle type being registered. Truck type vehicles with Collector plates cannot haul more than 500 pounds.
D) "Hobbist", which are issued for reconstructed or street modified vehicles 20 years or older, for replica vehicles 20 years or older or for homemade vehicles. Must have another vehicle currently registered. Cannot be operated during the month of January without a temporary plate. One-time $50 application fee plus twice the annual registration fee for the vehicle type being registered.
I register all my trucks under the Collector tag since they're all pretty much stock. I have seen vehicles with huge tires, custom paint jobs and blown engines with the Collector tags, I think they might be stretching the definition of "manufacturer’s specifications".
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Bob,
New Mexico has several options;
A regular plate
A vanity plate
An Armes Forces Vet plate
University Of New Mexico plates,
New Mexico State University plates,
Route 66 plates, etc, that are basically just a different styled plate that costs you a bunch of extra money.
You can get "Horseless Carriage" plates for your vehicle (or motorcycle) if its over 35 years old. If you register it this way its supposed to only be used for parades and shows. There is no restrictions on the vehicle being modified or original.
I usually just register my stuff as a regular vehicle
Bobby
New Mexico has several options;
A regular plate
A vanity plate
An Armes Forces Vet plate
University Of New Mexico plates,
New Mexico State University plates,
Route 66 plates, etc, that are basically just a different styled plate that costs you a bunch of extra money.
You can get "Horseless Carriage" plates for your vehicle (or motorcycle) if its over 35 years old. If you register it this way its supposed to only be used for parades and shows. There is no restrictions on the vehicle being modified or original.
I usually just register my stuff as a regular vehicle
Bobby
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All CA Department of Motor Vehicles & CA Triple A offices have a bound book with samples of every title known on the planet. All you have to do is take your registration to them, they'll look in the book, verify the title and transfer is a snap.
However, if the vehicle needs to pass a smog test, you'll get a temporary tag to install on your back glass till the time limit is up. If not smogged by then, you'll need an extension.
One thing...some Triple A personnel don't know jack chit. When I went to the local office to transfer what NY uses for a title on older vehicles (a piece of paper 2"x 3" ...I bought a car on ebay out of NY), the pinheaded clerk said it was a fake. I knew differently, because I verified the title and ownership before the money changed hands. Only when the supervisor was called over did she reach for the book, and the problem was solved.
However, if the vehicle needs to pass a smog test, you'll get a temporary tag to install on your back glass till the time limit is up. If not smogged by then, you'll need an extension.
One thing...some Triple A personnel don't know jack chit. When I went to the local office to transfer what NY uses for a title on older vehicles (a piece of paper 2"x 3" ...I bought a car on ebay out of NY), the pinheaded clerk said it was a fake. I knew differently, because I verified the title and ownership before the money changed hands. Only when the supervisor was called over did she reach for the book, and the problem was solved.
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I think the selection for DMV personell is a strenuous process whereby they must pass a battery of physcological and personality tests to insure that they only hire those that meet the requirements.
Here's a small sampling (I think this is common to most states)
The physical tests
Applicants must have a countenance of one whose face has never, never, ever, been twisted into anything closely resembling a grin. The face must be that of one in a permanent frown
(bonus points given to those ladies with mustaches-decendants of Yeti, The Abominable Snowman, Bigfoot, and Yaks are immediatly hired as supervisors)
Speech
applicants must either speek slowly with a contemptuous air or shrilly and bruskly with a condescending air
(note: English is not mandatory)
Attitude
Applicant must have the attitude that anyone daring to come to their window is interupting something of the uptmost importance (gossip, nail polishing, personal phone calls, etc)
note: applicants showing any traits of civility, customer service, or even common decency will immediately be removed from consideration of employment.
..........etc, etc, etc.............
Here's a small sampling (I think this is common to most states)
The physical tests
Applicants must have a countenance of one whose face has never, never, ever, been twisted into anything closely resembling a grin. The face must be that of one in a permanent frown
(bonus points given to those ladies with mustaches-decendants of Yeti, The Abominable Snowman, Bigfoot, and Yaks are immediatly hired as supervisors)
Speech
applicants must either speek slowly with a contemptuous air or shrilly and bruskly with a condescending air
(note: English is not mandatory)
Attitude
Applicant must have the attitude that anyone daring to come to their window is interupting something of the uptmost importance (gossip, nail polishing, personal phone calls, etc)
note: applicants showing any traits of civility, customer service, or even common decency will immediately be removed from consideration of employment.
..........etc, etc, etc.............
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Not to get off topic but here's one of my first experiences at the DMV.
When I first started driving you could either send your registration payments in and it would take two weeks to get your plates or you could go downtown to the only DMV station in SE WI (Now they have them in every major town) and get your plates right away. As I stood in the long line waiting for this surly old fossil to wait on me I watched as he grunted at the people coming to him and finding every little mistake that was made on their forms and sending to the back of the line redo the forms. I was finally third in line and a quiet Hispanic lady who hadn't quite master the English language yet came up to be waited on. Again, he grunted and didn't take the time to help this lady, just sent her to the back of the line. Next, in front of me, was a twenty something, very nice looking woman. The old fossil looked up from his paperwork and the biggest sh** eating grin came on his dried up old puss. She was able to sail through the process even though she didn't have the proper forms filled out correctly. He was more than glad to help her out. It worked out great for me. Once the woman left he had some residual happiness left and it only took five minutes to take care of my paperwork.
When I first started driving you could either send your registration payments in and it would take two weeks to get your plates or you could go downtown to the only DMV station in SE WI (Now they have them in every major town) and get your plates right away. As I stood in the long line waiting for this surly old fossil to wait on me I watched as he grunted at the people coming to him and finding every little mistake that was made on their forms and sending to the back of the line redo the forms. I was finally third in line and a quiet Hispanic lady who hadn't quite master the English language yet came up to be waited on. Again, he grunted and didn't take the time to help this lady, just sent her to the back of the line. Next, in front of me, was a twenty something, very nice looking woman. The old fossil looked up from his paperwork and the biggest sh** eating grin came on his dried up old puss. She was able to sail through the process even though she didn't have the proper forms filled out correctly. He was more than glad to help her out. It worked out great for me. Once the woman left he had some residual happiness left and it only took five minutes to take care of my paperwork.
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Here in KY, it's no big deal to get a "salvage" title on anything old and junk. I get them all the time. Of course I'm buddys with the court clerk took, but even for everyone else it ain't no big deal. This one time, ( sorry for the American Pie line) anyway, I needed a title for a 31 Model A, and I had a friend with a Model A sedan. I got his VIN and wrote it down, and changed several of the numbers, and then added one to the end. They made me a title for it and I stamped a repro VIN tag to match the numbers. NO PROBLEM!!!!
I told the clerk, if you seen this car, you'd know it ain't stolen!!! It's been at least 50 years since it's been on the road. We do alot of rebuilt wrecks too, and even they aint no real problem. So even if the numbers don't match what the car or truck really has in it, it don't matter as long as the title does. I'm building a '68 Mustang for my buddy and putting it on a '95 Mustang chassis and floor (ALOT OF WORK) and I'm even cutting the VIN from the fender supports and rewelding them onto the new ones for the title numbers to be matched, it was an out of state car, and will have to be inspected to make sure the numbers match. They WILL!
I told the clerk, if you seen this car, you'd know it ain't stolen!!! It's been at least 50 years since it's been on the road. We do alot of rebuilt wrecks too, and even they aint no real problem. So even if the numbers don't match what the car or truck really has in it, it don't matter as long as the title does. I'm building a '68 Mustang for my buddy and putting it on a '95 Mustang chassis and floor (ALOT OF WORK) and I'm even cutting the VIN from the fender supports and rewelding them onto the new ones for the title numbers to be matched, it was an out of state car, and will have to be inspected to make sure the numbers match. They WILL!
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Absolutely no disrespect intended whatsoever!! But It is not a snap getting a
transfer and title in Ca. at DMV. Its comforting to hear someone in Ca. does not have a problem, but the vast majority of DMV customers in Ca. have to endure
exactly what bobbytnm has so elegantly described above. I think DMV
Is trying to make things better for all but the attitudes are to ingrained in their employees to actually make it happen.
Again no disrespect and a big thanks to you for all the info you have contributed
before and since I have been around.
Happy Holiday's to You and Yours.
Gary
Absolutely no disrespect intended whatsoever!! But It is not a snap getting a
transfer and title in Ca. at DMV. Its comforting to hear someone in Ca. does not have a problem, but the vast majority of DMV customers in Ca. have to endure
exactly what bobbytnm has so elegantly described above. I think DMV
Is trying to make things better for all but the attitudes are to ingrained in their employees to actually make it happen.
Again no disrespect and a big thanks to you for all the info you have contributed
before and since I have been around.
Happy Holiday's to You and Yours.
Gary
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Despite my earlier rantings, my last several experiences with out local DMV have actually gone quite smoothly.
In the last few years here in New Mexico they have allowed private companies to perform DMV duties for a fee. I think we know have 3 or 4 contractors that offer fast friendly service, alot of them advertise 15 minutes or less....gauranteed.
I must say that I think its having an effect. I think the state run DMV offices are feeling the effect of the competition and are making an effort to be more customer friendly.
My last 3 or 4 transactions I went to one of the state operated offices of DMV and was actually helped. I had some goofy circumstances and the gal at the info desk helped me....twice in one day! and she smiled.
Some days chickens, some days feathers
Bobby
In the last few years here in New Mexico they have allowed private companies to perform DMV duties for a fee. I think we know have 3 or 4 contractors that offer fast friendly service, alot of them advertise 15 minutes or less....gauranteed.
I must say that I think its having an effect. I think the state run DMV offices are feeling the effect of the competition and are making an effort to be more customer friendly.
My last 3 or 4 transactions I went to one of the state operated offices of DMV and was actually helped. I had some goofy circumstances and the gal at the info desk helped me....twice in one day! and she smiled.
Some days chickens, some days feathers
Bobby
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On my 55, I had the title, but oops.. the seller hadn't actually signed it.. (nice to be so complete as to have a bill of sale, and not look at the title until 6 years later!).. anyhow, they said to send it registered, signature required.. I got the unopened letter back, date stamped.. (the guy moved, can't find him now)
they accepted the unsigned title under those conditions..
Sam
they accepted the unsigned title under those conditions..
Sam