sent a person to truckin 101 class on new laws last week.
It now seems farmers and private pickups pulling trailers have new laws to go by as of jan.1 dot here said they would be cracking down on farmers moving tractors hauling fuel to tractors anybody hauling tractors backhoes goosenecks etc.now have to run numbers on their pu.s like the big boys do.this does not affect me but there is plenty of new ones for big trk.s to.
Anybody else heard of this.

 

This is true...only for farmers and vehicles used commercially (lawn care, etc). We must have a DOT# on vehicles with a GVWR over 10K. The # is free.
The farm field tractors are not a licensed vehicle. But a semi tractor is and needs proper license and DOT#.

 

I was talking about hauling your tractors or equipment and fuel to tractors can't haul over 119 gal without hasmat authority now. the dot at the meeting said they were going to crack down on farmers here. I went and talked to dot yesterday at the scales they don't know anything about the new laws yet.

 

They have started to crack down on pick-ups pulling trailers that fall into Fed. DOT regs. They have been getting alot of guys around here that are pulling trailers that throw the GVWR into the CDL catagory. 26000 lbs and up. That is people that are doing it commercially including guys hauling skidsteers ect. Now if you aren't hauling commercially you don't need a CDL no matter what you are driving as long you are "Not for Hire".

I am in KY.

 

unless its a rv if it weighs over 26000 lbs or it has air brakes anywhere in the usa you are required to have a cdl but the laws I'm talking about do not go into effect until jan 1 the local dot do not even have any info on them yet.

 

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That isn't the case. That is where the CDL comes in. If you are not commercial "not for hire" you don't have to have it. I know guys that haul pulling trucks around with T-600 KW in Kentucky trailers. They aren't for hire. They are not reqiured to have a CDL because they aren't a commercial carrier.
The same goes for all the retired guys driving those 35 and 40 motorhome/buses. My mom drives a 38 footer when she goes to hunt trials.

I think that if a person is driving something that big they should have more then a class A licence. They shouldn't have to scale but should have CDL type road test but they don't.

 

the only ones exemt is personell rv's if they get checked in a t600 they better have a cdl. my wife had to get one for a fire truck anything with 26001 gvw requires cdl federal law. that law has been in effect since we changed to cdl. the ones Im wondering about starts jan 1 .

 

In NC you have to get a class "A" to pull over 10,001 or weight over 26,001 combined. It is almost the same test, as the CDL, you have to study the CDL, however, you do not need the medical. No exmt for rv's...everyone. They have been nailing guys around here with not enough tag to cover there weight in regular pick-up trucks.

 

I thought the same thing about trucks like T-600's until a few years ago. If you use a KW or Pete or what ever for personnel use like hauling a big camper trailer. It is not considered as a CDL required vehicle because it isn't use in "commerce". It is considered a recreational vehicle.

When I worked at KW dealer and I saw it alot. Guys would use T-450's for pulling huge camper trailers. They were like converted moving trailers. That is when I learned that a CDL isn't required. It has to do with the use of the vehicle not what it is , weather it has air brakes or not ect. doesn't matter according to Federal law.

I personnally don't agree because alot of these guys couldn't drive them very well and I think it is dangerous but that is the law.

Search CFR 49 about CDL's. I guess states can add to this. I don't know. I know that fire departments weren't required by federal law but the state or department can add to it I guess. The local fire department here doesn't require the CDL but the drivers have to get some drivers training though.

I know there has been several changes about the CDL thing. I know alot of guys that are owner operators and I was told by one them that they have changed some rules concerning diabetes.

I haven't heard about any new laws but I can find out. I work for a government agency now and have some connections with the DOT officers. I will check with one of them on the new things.

 

Last summer we had someone in Maryland on the Chesapeak bay bridge lose a trailer. Unfortunately it was not hitched to the SUV properly, and the chains were the wrong length. Three people were killed in the accident resulting from this person not knowing what he was doing, but he was not charged since it's not against the law to hook up your trailer improperly in our state, even if it falls off and kills somebody!

 

I went to the scales and talked to the dot federal law is 26001 or more registered weight or if it has air brakes unless it is registered as an rv it requires a cdl.
they do have some exemptions for farmers taking there product to market with farm tags only have to have class e cdl. but he said he gets calls regular when a farmer gets caught in texas fines shut down get somebody with class a to bring your truck back to state line.

 

Air brakes or 26,001 pounds or greater here require a CDL.

Where they are nailing everyone here is standard vehicle plates on an F 250 get you a GVW of 8800 pounds for a diesel, 8000 pounds for a gasser.
The the guy goes down an hooks to a trailer and loads a 9000 pound skid steer on it.

Truck weighs 7500, trailer weighs 2500 and the 9000 pound skid steer totals up to 19,000 pounds.
19,000 minus 8800 pounds means he is overweight by 10,500 pounds.

The tow vehicle has to be registered for the total weight of the entire rig.

I can get standard 8800 pound plates for my truck for 32 dollars.
The 20,000 pound plates I am running cost me 135 dollars a year.
The states want their money, every penny they can get.
They have to come up with every penny they can get to replace the money going to the war, to homeland security and all the other standard Fed waste.

Same thing with running red fuel on the highway, WV Tax and Revenue Criminal Investigation Division is checking fuel tanks for red fuel in all diesel vehicles from a VW Rabbit to a semi.
Standard first offense is a 5000 dollar or 10 dollars a gallon which ever is greater fine plus costs.

Cop an attitude with the guys checking fuel, they slap a tax evasion charge on top of the fuel fine.

 

Exactly Starmilt, You can register a T-600 as a recreational vehicle and drive on with regular licence. Don't agree but it is what it is. You do have to still follow the laws concerning load rating on roads.

Also get this. They have changed things here in Ky. Since I don't have a business anymore they made me put regular car tags on my F350. Now if I still had my business I would be required to have a 10,000 lb tag or greater. My wife carries mail and since she uses a Jeep cherokee to do this she had to put a 10,000 lb tag on it. Go figure.

Ky is also one of those states that requires no trailor tag or plate on a trailer that isn't used in a business. No matter how big the trailer is. If it is personnal use it is fine with no plate. I have gotten pulled over in other states going to fishing tournaments or hauling what ever for my own use. All the officers say is that you are from KY. We have to honor there law. The GVWR of my 350 and my tandem trailor that I use the most is over 26000. Now if the trailor is used in a business it has to be plated. Any business.

 

You can get a Non-cdl class "A" if it is for personal use,like an rv or f-250 pulling a 36' goose-neck with two race trucks. CDL is for hire, hence "Commercial". Also keep in mind, when they(DMV) weigh your trailer, 10-15% will be on the truck. I have two race trucks. One weighs 3,000lbs, the other 4,000lbs. The trailer weighs 3,000lbs for a total of 10,000lbs. I didn't need a class "A" because the trailer, at the WHEELS weighs 8,700lbs. The truck weighs 8,000 with the trailer and tools, so I needed at least an 18,000lbs tag. Not a commercial tag either, a "weghted" private use tag. They also look at how your stuff is tied down.

Read this under "The driver". The key word is if you drive a commercial truck.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registratio...ng/cdl/cdl.htm

also tie down stuff. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/vehicle/cs-policy.htm

 

benwill 1 guys like you are the ones I am talking about that the (NEW) laws might affect. I didn't start this post to talk about laws already in effect as I spend quite a bit to know and still get reminded of them plenty. The laws I'm talking about is not law until jan 1. also they said there will be no more class e cdls here comparable to your class a after jan 1.the guys at the coop do not even have the info on the new ones yet.