We are shooting back now
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We are shooting back now
Today as a man that lives about 4 miles from me entered his rural home, 3 men come running out from around the back yard. He grabbed his gun from the cabinet and went out in to the yard and fired one round in the ground to warn them. One of the guys stopped and started firing back with a gun he had stole from the house. The owner exhanged rounds with the robber while taking cover. No one was hit in the O.K. corral style exchange that lasted five minutes...
Last week about 10 miles from me a robber crashed in the front door of the home of a elderly man. The homeowner had his gun handy and started shooting at the intruder, firing at him until he cleared the back fence. The old west is coming east now and I hope the scum out here start realizing that people are getting fed up being victims. I have my 38. laying on top of the kitchen frig, fully loaded..
Last week about 10 miles from me a robber crashed in the front door of the home of a elderly man. The homeowner had his gun handy and started shooting at the intruder, firing at him until he cleared the back fence. The old west is coming east now and I hope the scum out here start realizing that people are getting fed up being victims. I have my 38. laying on top of the kitchen frig, fully loaded..
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Originally Posted by Greg 79 f150
Today as a man that lives about 4 miles from me entered his rural home, 3 men come running out from around the back yard. He grabbed his gun from the cabinet and went out in to the yard and fired one round in the ground to warn them. One of the guys stopped and started firing back with a gun he had stole from the house. The owner exhanged rounds with the robber while taking cover. No one was hit in the O.K. corral style exchange that lasted five minutes...
Originally Posted by Greg 79 f150
Last week about 10 miles from me a robber crashed in the front door of the home of a elderly man. The homeowner had his gun handy and started shooting at the intruder, firing at him until he cleared the back fence. The old west is coming east now and I hope the scum out here start realizing that people are getting fed up being victims. I have my 38. laying on top of the kitchen frig, fully loaded..
people need to learn how to secure their guns and they need to learn what line of defense they can have. to sit there and "chase" someone is wrechless and probably illegal, tough time explaining the danger a person is when they kill someone that done already hopped over the fence running away.
this kind of stupididty of gun owners is just making everyone else look bad and giving the gun control fruits more ammo.
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Both cases were elderly men alone at home. What makes you so sure in either case, the intruders were gone for good ? Were you in the minds of the intruders telling them what to think next ? Fight or flight adrenaline rush kicks in, both are extreme emotions that are not always rational. Walk in their shoes before you judge.
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Originally Posted by bf250
now why did the guy have a gun just laying around the house? this kind of negligence is what keeps adding fuel to the fire in regards to gun control. plus, why is he firing outside after the intruders are fleeing away? you shoot in self defense, i seriously doubt the guy had to chase the suspects out the door, he could have caused unforseen collatoral damage to to that.
why was the guy pursuing the suspect outside? once cleared of danger and out of the home, that is it, done deal. a citizen has the right to defend themselves and their home, but they do not have the authority to go on a pursuit.
people need to learn how to secure their guns and they need to learn what line of defense they can have. to sit there and "chase" someone is wrechless and probably illegal, tough time explaining the danger a person is when they kill someone that done already hopped over the fence running away.
this kind of stupididty of gun owners is just making everyone else look bad and giving the gun control fruits more ammo.
why was the guy pursuing the suspect outside? once cleared of danger and out of the home, that is it, done deal. a citizen has the right to defend themselves and their home, but they do not have the authority to go on a pursuit.
people need to learn how to secure their guns and they need to learn what line of defense they can have. to sit there and "chase" someone is wrechless and probably illegal, tough time explaining the danger a person is when they kill someone that done already hopped over the fence running away.
this kind of stupididty of gun owners is just making everyone else look bad and giving the gun control fruits more ammo.
Also, just because an intruder left the residence, doesn't mean they have left the property, or that they don't intend to come back. As far as I'm concerned, they're a target until they're off my property.
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Originally Posted by jroehl
Why is it anyone's business what I do with my guns in my house? If I want to leave loaded guns laying around in my own home, that's my prerogative. I believe in every household member knowing how to use the firearms safely, not locking them up where they will get you killed. I don't care how quick you are at getting your guns out of a safe, I guarantee I can probably get in your house and have two rounds in you before you have your hands on any locked-up gun.
Also, just because an intruder left the residence, doesn't mean they have left the property, or that they don't intend to come back. As far as I'm concerned, they're a target until they're off my property.
Jason
Also, just because an intruder left the residence, doesn't mean they have left the property, or that they don't intend to come back. As far as I'm concerned, they're a target until they're off my property.
Jason
Just because they leave the property also doesn't mean that they won't come back, but what happens especially in a urban setting with all the bullets that are being fired? You are also responsible for what happens when that bullet goes through a window or a wall and hits someone else. Kind of a catch 22. That is why I prefer my shotgun. Not a lot of range, but if you're within that range you're in trouble.
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Texas law:
The Castle Doctrine • SB 378
“Stand Your Ground” -- Improved personal defense against criminal attackers.
Establishes a presumption in Texas law that if a person unlawfully and with force enters or attempts to enter your home, vehicle or place of business or employment, it is reasonable for you to believe that the use of force, including deadly force, is immediately necessary to protect yourself. The same applies if the person takes or attempts to take you out of those places unlawfully and with force. The bill also explicitly states that you have no duty to retreat from such an attack if you are in a place you have a right to be, have not provoked the attack, and you are not engaged in unlawful activity. Lastly, the new law limits the ability of criminals and their families to sue innocent victims for killing or injuring their attackers. A wonderful piece of legislation that protects the innocent. This was the first bill signed by Governor Perry this session.
Passed 3/20/07, Effective date 9/1/07
The Castle Doctrine • SB 378
“Stand Your Ground” -- Improved personal defense against criminal attackers.
Establishes a presumption in Texas law that if a person unlawfully and with force enters or attempts to enter your home, vehicle or place of business or employment, it is reasonable for you to believe that the use of force, including deadly force, is immediately necessary to protect yourself. The same applies if the person takes or attempts to take you out of those places unlawfully and with force. The bill also explicitly states that you have no duty to retreat from such an attack if you are in a place you have a right to be, have not provoked the attack, and you are not engaged in unlawful activity. Lastly, the new law limits the ability of criminals and their families to sue innocent victims for killing or injuring their attackers. A wonderful piece of legislation that protects the innocent. This was the first bill signed by Governor Perry this session.
Passed 3/20/07, Effective date 9/1/07
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Originally Posted by dono
Texas law:
The Castle Doctrine • SB 378
“Stand Your Ground” -- Improved personal defense against criminal attackers.
Establishes a presumption in Texas law that if a person unlawfully and with force enters or attempts to enter your home, vehicle or place of business or employment, it is reasonable for you to believe that the use of force, including deadly force, is immediately necessary to protect yourself. The same applies if the person takes or attempts to take you out of those places unlawfully and with force. The bill also explicitly states that you have no duty to retreat from such an attack if you are in a place you have a right to be, have not provoked the attack, and you are not engaged in unlawful activity. Lastly, the new law limits the ability of criminals and their families to sue innocent victims for killing or injuring their attackers. A wonderful piece of legislation that protects the innocent. This was the first bill signed by Governor Perry this session.
Passed 3/20/07, Effective date 9/1/07
The Castle Doctrine • SB 378
“Stand Your Ground” -- Improved personal defense against criminal attackers.
Establishes a presumption in Texas law that if a person unlawfully and with force enters or attempts to enter your home, vehicle or place of business or employment, it is reasonable for you to believe that the use of force, including deadly force, is immediately necessary to protect yourself. The same applies if the person takes or attempts to take you out of those places unlawfully and with force. The bill also explicitly states that you have no duty to retreat from such an attack if you are in a place you have a right to be, have not provoked the attack, and you are not engaged in unlawful activity. Lastly, the new law limits the ability of criminals and their families to sue innocent victims for killing or injuring their attackers. A wonderful piece of legislation that protects the innocent. This was the first bill signed by Governor Perry this session.
Passed 3/20/07, Effective date 9/1/07
Woo Who, go Perry
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Originally Posted by Greg 79 f150
Both cases were elderly men alone at home. What makes you so sure in either case, the intruders were gone for good ? Were you in the minds of the intruders telling them what to think next ? Fight or flight adrenaline rush kicks in, both are extreme emotions that are not always rational. Walk in their shoes before you judge.
so, pursuing them for how long? 1 mile? 10 feet?
when a civilian is out of danger, that is when the pursuit is done, the chances of coming back you know is nil, they are there most of the time to steal something, their cover has been blown. and if they do come back then anyone has the right to defend their property.
it was stated that one of them just shot at the guy fleeing and another one fired a warning shot. to the former...where did those bullets go? is somebody going to get struck by a stray bullet because someone felt their life was in danger by someone that WAS in their house and is now running away? and for the latter, waht was the warning shot for? even in the Navy we were not allowed to give warning shots, the guys were out of the house and all praticle means off the porperty, if the people did not get them in the house then they blew their chance.
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Originally Posted by jroehl
Why is it anyone's business what I do with my guns in my house? If I want to leave loaded guns laying around in my own home, that's my prerogative. I believe in every household member knowing how to use the firearms safely, not locking them up where they will get you killed. I don't care how quick you are at getting your guns out of a safe, I guarantee I can probably get in your house and have two rounds in you before you have your hands on any locked-up gun.
Also, just because an intruder left the residence, doesn't mean they have left the property, or that they don't intend to come back. As far as I'm concerned, they're a target until they're off my property.
Jason
Also, just because an intruder left the residence, doesn't mean they have left the property, or that they don't intend to come back. As far as I'm concerned, they're a target until they're off my property.
Jason
when you are not at home, there is no reason to have a firearm laying around for no reason. someone can take it and use it against you even, hence the first story, the guy got shot at by his own gun, if he would have had the gun properly locked up, that would not have happened.
many guns on the streets and used in crime are stolen guns, stolen from irresponsible gun owners.
you are free to take your gun out of the safe when you are home or even carry it in your car and load it up when you get home before you enter if you are worried about someone being in there waitng for you.
but it is irresponsible to leave a dang arsenal out for anyone to just come by, grab and use it to commit a crime against another person.
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Originally Posted by dono
Texas law:
The Castle Doctrine • SB 378
“Stand Your Ground” -- Improved personal defense against criminal attackers.
Establishes a presumption in Texas law that if a person unlawfully and with force enters or attempts to enter your home, vehicle or place of business or employment, it is reasonable for you to believe that the use of force, including deadly force, is immediately necessary to protect yourself. The same applies if the person takes or attempts to take you out of those places unlawfully and with force. The bill also explicitly states that you have no duty to retreat from such an attack if you are in a place you have a right to be, have not provoked the attack, and you are not engaged in unlawful activity. Lastly, the new law limits the ability of criminals and their families to sue innocent victims for killing or injuring their attackers. A wonderful piece of legislation that protects the innocent. This was the first bill signed by Governor Perry this session.
Passed 3/20/07, Effective date 9/1/07
The Castle Doctrine • SB 378
“Stand Your Ground” -- Improved personal defense against criminal attackers.
Establishes a presumption in Texas law that if a person unlawfully and with force enters or attempts to enter your home, vehicle or place of business or employment, it is reasonable for you to believe that the use of force, including deadly force, is immediately necessary to protect yourself. The same applies if the person takes or attempts to take you out of those places unlawfully and with force. The bill also explicitly states that you have no duty to retreat from such an attack if you are in a place you have a right to be, have not provoked the attack, and you are not engaged in unlawful activity. Lastly, the new law limits the ability of criminals and their families to sue innocent victims for killing or injuring their attackers. A wonderful piece of legislation that protects the innocent. This was the first bill signed by Governor Perry this session.
Passed 3/20/07, Effective date 9/1/07
the victims were not retreating, they went from standing their ground to pursuing.
i am all for knocking someone off anywhere, especially in your own home, if you feel your, or someone elses life is endangered. but these stories became one from standing their ground as they rightfully should had to pursuing and in the case of the one guy, to randomly firing a gun with the bullets going who knows where.
when the criminals left the home and were running away, the victims life was no longer in danger, there for deadly force should have not been applied.
and as for the argument of them coming back, then in the slim chance that does happen, then the victim has every right to defend themselves if presented with a threat to their life or someone elses.
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Several years back, my friend is sitting at a red light with his window down about 2 AM. He sees a man in his side mirror walking up along the driver's side of his truck a seconf before he reaches the door. The man starts punching my friend in the head thru the open window. My friend grabs his .357 on the seat beside him and fires one shot into the guy's chest. Cops accuse my friend of shooting his gay lover!.....but he lived to tell the story.