what carb do i have ???
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If it is still the original carb it is a 4180-C. To make sure, pull off the air cleaner and look on the front of the air horn (the part that holds the choke plate), the model number will be stamped there.
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One quick way is the 4180s have bowl vent tubes. If it is a 4180 the Holley # will do you no good. You need the metal tag because the # you need is a Motorcraft #. The kits for 4180 are about $95. If you are rebuilding it then you need to install a power valve backfire protection. Holley didn't install that until 1992 on any of their carbs. The 4180 uses a 2 stage power valve that doesn't come in the kit. They sell for $30. You can use a single stage PV. if you don't need to smog.
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The 4180C-4v carburetor on my '83 F350 w/460 has both the Ford p/n E3TE-9510-RC and the Holley list number 50003 stamped on the air horn and I haven't had a problem getting parts for it using those numbers at a parts house with a knowledgeable counterman. There are several different Power Valve numbers for various 4180's so it is important to get the correct one for your application by using the correct carburetor number. Different power valve numbers operate at different vacuum levels which can affect both acceleration and fuel consumption.
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I agree with Franklin, sometimes its much easier to get an aftermarket carb if you dont have to deal with emissions. I have two of them (both on 351Ws), one is over 10 years old and they both give excellent service. And they don't have a power valve to blow out or some of the fuel leak problems I have experienced with Holley carbs. Just my two cents..... I dont remember prices but I seem to remember that they were reasonable. Just make sure if you have to test for emissions or not. If you dont, they have a non emission electric choke carb that should work great on your "small" 460.
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I forgot to mention that my carbs are both Edelbrocks. I have been told that they are a copy of the Carter AFB. Im not sure about that but they have worked very well for me from 15 below zero to 110 above.
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Advance Auto Parts sells 4180 kits for about $35. Power valve not included. Carburetors rarely wear out beyond repair even if new throttle shafts or bushings are required. In my experience you rarely need to soak one in cleaner. I usually use a spray can of cleaner and a compressed air blow gun to clean the internal passages and mineral spirits or kerosene for the external. Kits generally include very good instructions on how to assemble and adjust. I don't recommend "rebuilt" or "remanufactured" carburetors since you don't know if you're getting what you need or a "generic" version with wrong power valve, jets, etc.
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Originally Posted by Piffery1
The 4180C-4v carburetor on my '83 F350 w/460 has both the Ford p/n (Carb ID number) E3TE-9510-RC and the Holley list number 50003 stamped on the air horn and I haven't had a problem getting parts for it using those numbers at a parts house with a knowledgeable counterman.
E5PZ-9A586-HC .. Carburetor Kit (Motorcraft CT-1404-C)
D6PZ-9A565-A .. Economizer (Power) Valve (Motorcraft CE-122)
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Originally Posted by Piffery1
Advance Auto Parts sells 4180 kits for about $35. Power valve not included. Carburetors rarely wear out beyond repair even if new throttle shafts or bushings are required. In my experience you rarely need to soak one in cleaner. I usually use a spray can of cleaner and a compressed air blow gun to clean the internal passages and mineral spirits or kerosene for the external. Kits generally include very good instructions on how to assemble and adjust. I don't recommend "rebuilt" or "remanufactured" carburetors since you don't know if you're getting what you need or a "generic" version with wrong power valve, jets, etc.
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ok guys i checked it i have a sticker that says reman by ford then nothin else no other tags on the front it says holley carb mnfct for ford my father in law and i are gonna pick thru it this weekend and he has told me the same things yall have but i still dont see nothin
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I've never seen a 4180 with a "tag" on it. All I've seen is the numbers stamped on the airhorn (you've got to remove the air cleaner to see). OBTW, some rebuilders grind the numbers off the airhorn so you can't determine what it really is. They then identify it with their own number which they list as a direct replacement for umpteen different original p/ns.
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Yes, and the umpteen different originals were application specific but for mass rebuilding purposes one set of parts is much easier and cheaper to inventory with the result being a generic carb that will not necessarily be application specific.
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