Cold temps, no start:
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Cold temps, no start:
'03 F350, C/C, dually, 6L PSTD, 77Kmiles...
I'm not talking about slow cranking, or smoking. When it's just barely 'chilly' (mid 30's or colder...), the damn thing won't turn over. As in, nothing happens when you key up to start it. Dash lights up, glow plug indicator, etc, but no crank. Batteries, you say? Yeah, been there, done that. Replaced OE Motorcrafts with a pair of even bigger Everstart (800ccaX2)... Even when plugged in overnight, NO CRANK. I've warmed up the batteries using buckets of warm water, and eventually, it'll light up. Starts just fine once I can get it to turn over, but it's the turning over part that is being quite a nuisance. It doesn't do the slow, weak cranking. Once it finally turns over, it cranks full strength. It's all, or nothing. The block heater does just that - heats the block, but the batteries are at ambient temp. Is there some other starter relay/voltage threshold, weak link when cold?
Truck's too big to put in the garage, and replacing batts or plugging in hasn't made a diff...
I'm not talking about slow cranking, or smoking. When it's just barely 'chilly' (mid 30's or colder...), the damn thing won't turn over. As in, nothing happens when you key up to start it. Dash lights up, glow plug indicator, etc, but no crank. Batteries, you say? Yeah, been there, done that. Replaced OE Motorcrafts with a pair of even bigger Everstart (800ccaX2)... Even when plugged in overnight, NO CRANK. I've warmed up the batteries using buckets of warm water, and eventually, it'll light up. Starts just fine once I can get it to turn over, but it's the turning over part that is being quite a nuisance. It doesn't do the slow, weak cranking. Once it finally turns over, it cranks full strength. It's all, or nothing. The block heater does just that - heats the block, but the batteries are at ambient temp. Is there some other starter relay/voltage threshold, weak link when cold?
Truck's too big to put in the garage, and replacing batts or plugging in hasn't made a diff...
Last edited by Chin Motorsports; Oct 19, 2007 at 02:25 AM.
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Sounds like a bad connection or bad starter relay--something not telling the starter solenoid to engage. You might check here: http://www.backglass.org/duncan/ps60...l/ps60_091.jpg
There looks to be a plugin relay for the starter circuit but my screen isn't good enough to read all the details.
There looks to be a plugin relay for the starter circuit but my screen isn't good enough to read all the details.
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TSB 06-19-14
10/02/06
NO CRANK / STARTER TERMINAL FATIGUE
FORD:
1997-2007 Crown Victoria
1997-2004 F-150 Heritage
1997-2006 Expedition
1998-2006 E-Series
1999-2006 F-Super Duty
2002-2007 Explorer
2004-2006 F-150
2007 Explorer Sport Trac
LINCOLN:
1998-2006 Navigator
2003-2005 Aviator
MERCURY:
1997-2007 Grand Marquis
2002-2007 Mountaineer
ISSUE
Some vehicles may exhibit a no crank condition due to an open circuit in the starter relay to starter motor circuit at the starter motor connection.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
A new starter terminal wiring pigtail kit is released eliminating the need to replace the entire harness for the terminal connection.
NOTE TERMINAL KIT ONLY SERVICES THE STARTER RELAY TO STARTER MOTOR CIRCUIT. THE KIT DOES NOT SERVICE STARTER MOTOR BATTERY POWER CIRCUIT.
Refer to instruction sheet contained in Wiring Pigtail Kit for wiring harness service procedure.
NOTE REFERENCE THE APPROPRIATE WORKSHOP MANUAL SERVICE SECTION 303-06 FOR REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION OF THE STARTER MOTOR WIRING TERMINAL CONNECTION PROCEDURES
10/02/06
NO CRANK / STARTER TERMINAL FATIGUE
FORD:
1997-2007 Crown Victoria
1997-2004 F-150 Heritage
1997-2006 Expedition
1998-2006 E-Series
1999-2006 F-Super Duty
2002-2007 Explorer
2004-2006 F-150
2007 Explorer Sport Trac
LINCOLN:
1998-2006 Navigator
2003-2005 Aviator
MERCURY:
1997-2007 Grand Marquis
2002-2007 Mountaineer
ISSUE
Some vehicles may exhibit a no crank condition due to an open circuit in the starter relay to starter motor circuit at the starter motor connection.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
A new starter terminal wiring pigtail kit is released eliminating the need to replace the entire harness for the terminal connection.
NOTE TERMINAL KIT ONLY SERVICES THE STARTER RELAY TO STARTER MOTOR CIRCUIT. THE KIT DOES NOT SERVICE STARTER MOTOR BATTERY POWER CIRCUIT.
Refer to instruction sheet contained in Wiring Pigtail Kit for wiring harness service procedure.
NOTE REFERENCE THE APPROPRIATE WORKSHOP MANUAL SERVICE SECTION 303-06 FOR REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION OF THE STARTER MOTOR WIRING TERMINAL CONNECTION PROCEDURES
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Parts Block
WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
061914A Install Wiring Pigtail kit (Do 0.4 Hr.
Not Use With 14200A)
MT061914 Claim Additional Labor Actual
Required As Actual Time Time
Or Use SLTS Operation If
Available
DEALER CODING
CONDITION
BASIC PART NO. CODE
14A280 01
WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
061914A Install Wiring Pigtail kit (Do 0.4 Hr.
Not Use With 14200A)
MT061914 Claim Additional Labor Actual
Required As Actual Time Time
Or Use SLTS Operation If
Available
DEALER CODING
CONDITION
BASIC PART NO. CODE
14A280 01
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Thanks for the TSB reference. Still puzzled, though, because my issue is strictly related to cold temps. There's never a problem with warm weather, starts normally 100% of the time. If it were a relay/connection, then wouldn't it be intermittent in warm weather also?
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Maybe the connection is loose or corroded and when it gets "cold" there's just enough metal shrinkage for the connection to be lost. I know some tech's that have found the fuse terminal wires misconnected--slid in beside the terminal rather than on the terminal. Talk about a pain to find........
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