Tire HELP
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Tire HELP
I have a 1996 F-250 HD 4x4. Lifted slightly. Currently running 35" AT's
No longer going to be a daily driver so I am in the market for the best off-road only tire in 35" for 16x10 rim.
I live in Northern California. I 4x4 on my ranch while hunting. So mostly trails, steep hills, some mud, slop, etc....
The tires will NEVER see the highway again so I do not need to take that into account. I have already done several things to the truck....it's not street legal anymore anyway
So please help. I was leaning toward the Super Swamper LTB but they don't come in a 35 x 12.5 r16 or even anything close to that. How would the Swamper TSL/SX compare ? ?
As you can tell I need some advice.
Thanks
TC in the NORCAL MOUNTAINS
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Get bead locks and run the pressures way down low!! MT Claw, alot of rock guys run
boggers, Irok bias tires which give better handling off road, all bias ply tires give better performance off road especially at low pressures. Get a tire groover and make
a baja claw exactly what you need for your conditions!! If you run it at 15-20 psi most any tire will do what you need.
boggers, Irok bias tires which give better handling off road, all bias ply tires give better performance off road especially at low pressures. Get a tire groover and make
a baja claw exactly what you need for your conditions!! If you run it at 15-20 psi most any tire will do what you need.
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MT Claws Huh??
OK. Well how about the SuperSwamper TSL/SX ? Or the LTB ?
I am having a hard time figuring out why the SuperSwamper LTB is half the price of the TSL/SX. Different rubber? The LTB looks to be more aggressive but a narrower tire.
To tell the truth I never considered the Mickey Thompson Baja Claws.
Tom
I am having a hard time figuring out why the SuperSwamper LTB is half the price of the TSL/SX. Different rubber? The LTB looks to be more aggressive but a narrower tire.
To tell the truth I never considered the Mickey Thompson Baja Claws.
Tom
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Claws are the best, imo the LTBs are cheaper in most sizes because they are also narrower in most sizes. LTBs are made in in sizes interco doesnt usually make tires in and if you notice the wider a tire gets the more the price climbs quickly.
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Claws?
OK. Well consider that I do not ever do any rock crawling with this rig. Its way too big of a truck and not set up for that type of 4 wheelin'. Just trail riding, and mud on my 800 acre ranch. I hunt wild boar and this is my fun truck....no street use at all...ever.
So with that in mind are the Baja Claws still the way to go?
T
So with that in mind are the Baja Claws still the way to go?
T
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> Just trail riding, and mud on my 800 acre ranch
> no street use at all...
Swamper Boggers
35x14.50x16
Ground Hawgs
35x14x16.50 (just buy cheap steel rims)
imho, The two best choices for mud tires for a vehicle seeing only off road use that are DOT legal. If it is never leaving the road, I would seriously think about bead locks and real AG tires.
I would lean towards the Ground Hawgs and stud them. It will help on wet stream crossings and such.
> no street use at all...
Swamper Boggers
35x14.50x16
Ground Hawgs
35x14x16.50 (just buy cheap steel rims)
imho, The two best choices for mud tires for a vehicle seeing only off road use that are DOT legal. If it is never leaving the road, I would seriously think about bead locks and real AG tires.
I would lean towards the Ground Hawgs and stud them. It will help on wet stream crossings and such.
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I dont like baja claws. Love my Boggers. Like someone said already, the LTBs are cheaper in that they are generally narrower, and I think a lighter carcass. look at any TSL and see the price difference as the tire gets wider. SXs are great, I think they are heavier, and have wrap around lugs on the sidewall. I think LTBs are designed more for smaller trucks like jeeps and rangers.
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Boggers ? ? ?
Hey,
Super Swamper Boggers were my first choice. However I have heard several accounts of them having very poor lateral traction while traversing any side hills. I hear that the tread acts like skis and the truck slides laterally. IF thats true then they will not work for me as I regularly 4 wheel on grassy side hills and have little room for error. Also, how durable is the rubber compound? The hills where I ride have allot of natural sharp shale and can really cut into some of the softer rubber compounds.
As you can see...I need help. I want to buy the tires on Monday to take advantage of the buy 3 get 1 free deals that are all over the internet now.
Tom
Super Swamper Boggers were my first choice. However I have heard several accounts of them having very poor lateral traction while traversing any side hills. I hear that the tread acts like skis and the truck slides laterally. IF thats true then they will not work for me as I regularly 4 wheel on grassy side hills and have little room for error. Also, how durable is the rubber compound? The hills where I ride have allot of natural sharp shale and can really cut into some of the softer rubber compounds.
As you can see...I need help. I want to buy the tires on Monday to take advantage of the buy 3 get 1 free deals that are all over the internet now.
Tom
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Ive found my boggers to be very tough. but as you stated lateral movement can be an issue. But its an issue with other mud tires as well. Alot of it can stem from the width of tire guys runs. (the wider the less ground pressure) ive seen several well built trucks with big wide tires get winched up steep grassy, or hard slick inclines by trucks with smaller ( narrower) tires because they cant get the truck to hook up, aired up or aired down. Adding extra siping or grooving makes a world of difference as well but the tire will usually wear faster.
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how wide is too wide?
So...
With that arguement then would the Swamper LTB be a better choice for my application? I wheel in grassy conditions where the first 2 inches are mud and then its hard, slick clay. Would the narrow tires prevail over the wide tires in this type of condition? I see that the LTB's come in a 34x 10.50 r16. I currently run 315/ 75 r16 AT's. So I guess the LTB's would be about 2 inches narrower and about an inch shorter. Any thoughts?
Tom
With that arguement then would the Swamper LTB be a better choice for my application? I wheel in grassy conditions where the first 2 inches are mud and then its hard, slick clay. Would the narrow tires prevail over the wide tires in this type of condition? I see that the LTB's come in a 34x 10.50 r16. I currently run 315/ 75 r16 AT's. So I guess the LTB's would be about 2 inches narrower and about an inch shorter. Any thoughts?
Tom
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Tire size is a personal preferance. Its about finding a balance of what works for you. the heavier your unit is the wider you can afford to go without sacrificing traction on hard pack. "Generally" the softer the terrain the wider the foot print you want. Yes, the LTB would probably be better for you. I know the price is a lot more, but I think I personally would go with the TSL/SXs. In a 36 12.5 16 /10 ply/ 6 ply sidewall. A lot tougher than LTBs in the roots and rocks, and not as hard on parts as a bogger. How do you find your ATs in the terrain you run in?
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I think a tall narrow tire bites harder in these situations where I live and hunt we have red clay that can get slicker than owl s### during the winter and my tall narrows 255/85/16 ( 34in tall by 8in wide) bite when 33/12.5's would slide but this is just my opion.
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(sp metalman) And a good opinion it is. yah, i think 12.5s might be pushing it but I realy like the SXs. Very tough tire with side wall lugs. But they dont come in many narrow sizes, if at all. Im running 35x10.5 boggers right now and love them. glad I didnt go wider. Another bonus is the tires are still under the truck and dont totally plaster the truck with mud, like some of my friends. Theyre out there on their hoods trying to get pounds of mud off the windsheild with rags and squeegees after the first little hole. When I swap to straight axle and beef things up a bit I want to go to the 38.5x11s.
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The AT's I'm running now are 12.50 wide and I am doing fine with them until it gets really sloppy after the first couple of rains. The truck is rather heavy so the wide tire works I think. I wouldn't go wider than 12.50 with this situation. None of those 16" wide tires in my future.
I think its going to be the 36x12.50 16's in TSL/SX.
Now...where is the best online store to get them without paying an arm and a leg in shipping fee's ? ? ?
TC
I think its going to be the 36x12.50 16's in TSL/SX.
Now...where is the best online store to get them without paying an arm and a leg in shipping fee's ? ? ?
TC