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ok i have officially had enough! i cant seem to dial in my hydro assist system like i want it and personally am tired of working on it.
give me some insight on various companies. i have seen and read about PSC's systems and I like the fact that it comes with all the fittings and hose and all. $1325 aint too bad for a 'bolt on' system.
i have also looked at the performance offroad system from Sean (aka station) and really like his setup. now his are a little more expensive and dont inlcude as much in a kit but i like the high quality parts he uses in his systems (ie Danfoss steering valve).
i would piece a system together but i wouldnt be saving much money and it would cost me a good deal of time which seems so scarce right now. i am still open to the idea IF the cost difference is great enough!
tell me what you guys think
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give me some insight on various companies. i have seen and read about PSC's systems and I like the fact that it comes with all the fittings and hose and all. $1325 aint too bad for a 'bolt on' system.
i have also looked at the performance offroad system from Sean (aka station) and really like his setup. now his are a little more expensive and dont inlcude as much in a kit but i like the high quality parts he uses in his systems (ie Danfoss steering valve).
i would piece a system together but i wouldnt be saving much money and it would cost me a good deal of time which seems so scarce right now. i am still open to the idea IF the cost difference is great enough!
tell me what you guys think
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personally i would go with the psc system....ive had expeirence with them and loved it....my buddy let his 3 year old daughter drive his ford on 56's and she drove it around his yard no problem...
you could always go the WAY cheaper route with the tsc ram and tsc or other cheaper orbital valve and just peice it together....but when i go full hydro im going with the psc....now ive heard really good things about stazworks ram as well.......i dont have expeirence with any other so i wont comment...
but for a mud truck...which i know your not, you can easily get away with the tsc stuff, but from what ive seen on pirate apparently rock crawlers need more with the resivours and coolers and such....so id go with the higher end kits rather than peice them together....
you could always go the WAY cheaper route with the tsc ram and tsc or other cheaper orbital valve and just peice it together....but when i go full hydro im going with the psc....now ive heard really good things about stazworks ram as well.......i dont have expeirence with any other so i wont comment...
but for a mud truck...which i know your not, you can easily get away with the tsc stuff, but from what ive seen on pirate apparently rock crawlers need more with the resivours and coolers and such....so id go with the higher end kits rather than peice them together....
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Alot of guys around here go to the local tractor graveyard and ****** the steering system off of combines. If it works for a huge tractor, it could work on a bogger with deuces........its less than 2 bills too....take a look at your local tractor supply store....just a thought....
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Originally Posted by 79f150toy
Alot of guys around here go to the local tractor graveyard and ****** the steering system off of combines. If it works for a huge tractor, it could work on a bogger with deuces........its less than 2 bills too....take a look at your local tractor supply store....just a thought....
just go with the "pirate" thought and get a kit...
or if you are really on a budget, i could find you the "cheap" parts if really needed....
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Originally Posted by 79f150toy
Alot of guys around here go to the local tractor graveyard and ****** the steering system off of combines. If it works for a huge tractor, it could work on a bogger with deuces........its less than 2 bills too....take a look at your local tractor supply store....just a thought....
actually right now money isnt too much of an obstacle but at the same time I am not thrilled about a $2K price tag either. i have to feel like i got my money's worth... the total price is relative
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actually it looks like i will probably stick with Sean. i talked to him again this weekend about the setup and i really like what he offers. not to mention i caught up with several people this weekend who are running his kits with nothing but great things to say. i expect to dust off my credit card early this week so that i can get the kit and get it on before the next ride.
with that being said... i had NO troubles, i mean absolutely NO troubles from my steering this past weekend at MMORV! no whining of the pump, no fluid puking out the cap, no leaking lines, no sticking ram, NOTHING! it was great! i still have the issue of limited turning which i think is inheritant of a mech steering system, all the geometry must be perfect to keep bind to a minimum, which just isnt possible offroad.
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with that being said... i had NO troubles, i mean absolutely NO troubles from my steering this past weekend at MMORV! no whining of the pump, no fluid puking out the cap, no leaking lines, no sticking ram, NOTHING! it was great! i still have the issue of limited turning which i think is inheritant of a mech steering system, all the geometry must be perfect to keep bind to a minimum, which just isnt possible offroad.
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I built my own with new stuff. Almost everything came from Surplus Center except the pump and its mounting bracket which came from KRC.
Works like a charm and I have not had a problem with it yet. Its about 4 turns lock to lock(with a 13" steering wheel) and after I worked a bind out of my shafts, its like driving a lincoln on wet grass. Thats with tractor tires and rockwells. But no matter what way you go, full hydro is the way to go, Dave.
Works like a charm and I have not had a problem with it yet. Its about 4 turns lock to lock(with a 13" steering wheel) and after I worked a bind out of my shafts, its like driving a lincoln on wet grass. Thats with tractor tires and rockwells. But no matter what way you go, full hydro is the way to go, Dave.
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Originally Posted by wvmudder
I built my own with new stuff. Almost everything came from Surplus Center except the pump and its mounting bracket which came from KRC
i ordered the system yesterday from Sean. awesome guy, he has a shweet buggy he is in the midst of designing and i cant wait to see it!
while on the subject i need some visual examples (pics!) of how folks mount their DA ram on the axle. i've seen most go with the tube/hoop design welded on the front axle tubes but i want some more ideas.
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How high is your tie rod fish?
How thich is your diff cover?
My hydro assist attaches to my diff cover and the tie rod (low mounted tie rod) will have to make a different bracket when I move the tie rod up over the springs (leafs), but attaching to the diff cover gave me the good attaching points and the correct stroke, and allowed me to keep the ram up, and out of the way. At least reasonably high to try to keep it out of the way, and still keep angles down to a minimum.
Glad to hear things are going well, and you have invested in a good system.
How thich is your diff cover?
My hydro assist attaches to my diff cover and the tie rod (low mounted tie rod) will have to make a different bracket when I move the tie rod up over the springs (leafs), but attaching to the diff cover gave me the good attaching points and the correct stroke, and allowed me to keep the ram up, and out of the way. At least reasonably high to try to keep it out of the way, and still keep angles down to a minimum.
Glad to hear things are going well, and you have invested in a good system.
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well i am going to get a second histeer arm and mount the ram to the tops of my knuckles. i asked Sean what he suggested and what he sees most. he said that even though Ford knuckles are the weakest, unless you are doing hardcore wheelin with 49's and a big block those knuckles should hold up fine.
i will be doing away with my tierod and drag link all together. i am running these front and rear... http://www.greatlakeoffroad.com/diff.html
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i will be doing away with my tierod and drag link all together. i am running these front and rear... http://www.greatlakeoffroad.com/diff.html
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Full hydro, WTF was I thinking? Too early in the morning. I spaced that all together! Duh!
Thats right I have seen (only seen, have not made yet) the tubular brackets and the colars that hold the cylinder onto the axle. And it is going to require an additional arm, but That got me thinking, is there any chance and / or clearance to run the cylinder on th back side of the axle?
Rear, High Steer, Full Hydro?????
Should be able to get up and over the pinion right? Is that an option? That would get the cylinder away from those magnetic rocks.
Thats right I have seen (only seen, have not made yet) the tubular brackets and the colars that hold the cylinder onto the axle. And it is going to require an additional arm, but That got me thinking, is there any chance and / or clearance to run the cylinder on th back side of the axle?
Rear, High Steer, Full Hydro?????
Should be able to get up and over the pinion right? Is that an option? That would get the cylinder away from those magnetic rocks.
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Originally Posted by 75F350
is there any chance and / or clearance to run the cylinder on th back side of the axle? Should be able to get up and over the pinion right? Is that an option? That would get the cylinder away from those magnetic rocks.
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Originally Posted by fishmanndotcom
good question... i think thats a question i may present to Sean! i think clearance may be an issue with the oil pan/pinion but other than that all i would have to do is swap the ports
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Would get kinda tight in there at full compression.