You see very few posts like the OP has put here - what is OP?

thx

 

going this weekend to test drive the v10. then i will put in my order locally.

 

OP = original post. The OP was going from a V10 to a 7.3 PSD (great motor).

Keep in mind. When you test drive a brand new V10, it will feel kinda sluggish. Do a search here and you will find many owners report significant power increases after 150 hours or so have been put on the motor.

 

you have a nice looking ride - that is the exact 6.4 i test drove - wish the kr came in the dark stone - going with black.

thx for the input. i figure a few hours here might save me a lot of time and frustrations later. gone are the days of the 25,000 4x4 cc truck - when i start spending north of 40g on a vehicle it is time for me to do a little research. i wonder what is going to happen in 2010 when the emissions laws become even more strict for dz engines? you see them everywhere in europe - cabs with 400,000 stop and go city miles.

 

theoshin

Many of us do not ever buy a vehicle thinking about the back side of resale.... I would dare say this is MORE true for expensive truck owners then others...we tend to by a truck as a tool. The very few vehicles I have ever resold or traded in and hoped for a decent return. Usually the ones I did trade in were are gotten rid of because for one reason or another they sucked...

Most of the vehicles (tools) I have bought were replaced only after I have used them well beyond their life cycle and the cost of new tool made more sense then repair/ rebuild.

There reason I say all this is you seem to be value judging what new truck you want/need based on the relative ease of trading away from it...

This suggests you are prone to getting a NEW truck every few years...This also suggests you can afford to get a NEW truck every few years.. If that is true, then the PSD will work just fine for you... Get one..Enjoy, Be happy, there is nothing inherently wrong with the mighty 6.4L SuperDuty....

It is only money, and for an extra $5000~$6000 dollars you can have a 400 pound heavier front end and more torque then you will ever need.

BUT I assume you are here in V10 land seeking our wisdom and advice... Have you caught on yet that MOST of use are super HAPPY with the lower cost, less maintenance, reliability, and quiet non stinky attributes of the V10 SuperDuty

For most of us working stiffs a $37,000-$52,000 investment is usually looked at as a tool that we intend to make earn ever last dime of it's cost... We therefore are much more bang for the buck oriented in our decision making

There is no doubt there are markets where the V10 is not going to be as easy to resell or trade as a PSD...right or wrong it is still a fact... so I enter the buying decision knowing that once I have gotten all 39,000 dollars worth of use out of my truck, I do not worry about how much, if any thing, it is worth on trade in...

Dollar of dollar, pound for pound, tow capacity or haul ability or comfort The 3v V10 is a LOT cheaper to buy, maintain, and it has more capabilities then the PSD is several areas.

You alluded to Cabs in Europe getting 400,000 miles stop n go city miles... Trust me brother a Mercedes Benz diesel car motor and the contractor built 6.4L Power Stroke diesel truck motor are only comparable in that they both are compression ignition

OK brother..thats all I got...your choice and the truth is you do NOT have a bad choice...they are Ford SuperDuty trucks... with the exception of the rare lemon you can not choose wrong!

 

i appreciate the comments

i payed my way through college working 14 hours a day hard labor for my families construction familiy - road construction. got mom's brains and ended up down a very different path. lived check to check with a wife and children through 4 yrs of med school, 5yrs of residency, 1 yr fellowship, 1yr research. now i have been given the go by my wife to pick the truck i really want - sort of my reward for working 24 hour shifts every 4th day for so long. now i am on call only every 3rd night! i could replace my current tundra with a new crew max for 40g or move up to a v10 kr cc ford for 42 or 43. that is a lot more truck for 2-3g. the dz would be 5 more but around here i would get 3-4 of that back after 3-4 yrs. overall the v10 is cheaper for all the reasons you mentioned.

i plan on keeping the truck around 5 yrs. that is how long i kept my others. if i buy a v10 and have no problems i would keep it longer. i would sell the dz after 4.5 yrs (5yr powertrain war) unless it was problem free.

if i was picking between the 7.3 and 6.0 vs the v10 i would never even had posted on this site until after the purchase. the 7.3 has great rep around here but after the exhaust blacked our garage a few times it would be out. the new 6.4 is a whole different animal. the first minute i sat in the truck with the engine running things changed. this is not the dz i grew up around. i put my face near the exhaust (i had not read the posts about the flame torch yet! - bad joke but i had to) and it smelt cleaner than my gasser. that is the ultimate question - has the new dz become civilized enough to be used as a daily driver and occasional heavy hauler or have the new gov restrictions handicaped it to the point it will end up being a pita to own over 4-6 yrs???

time to s... or get off the pot for me - i decide after the v10 test this saturday.

thx again to all,
ts

 

I got mom's brains too...I'm still in construction

 

Good point. Someone mentioned that they were only getting 10mpg pulling with the V10, but I know of at least three diesels that are getting no better than 10mpg with a trailer hooked up.

 

20mpg in town?

I've owned a few 7.3's and never did I get near that milage.

 

Hey, if you're buying the truck because it's what you want and you intend on dumping the thing when the warranty goes out, and money isn't that great of a concern for you, then by all means go ahead and buy the diesel. They certainly do have better resale value - as evidenced by the fact that the cheapest 7.3 PSD Excursion I found was still $6,000 more than my V10 Excursion, and it had an extra 130,000 miles on it. To find one in comparable condition I was looking at $10k more. That extra money buys a whole lot of gas, that's for sure! Plus, I'm looking at out-of-warranty trucks that I have to repair (or pay for someone else to repair) and aren't towing a whole lot. I think a lot of us have realized that, for us, the V10 is an economically smarter decision to make.

When I was little, diesels were loud and smelly, not to mention slow. That's all changed in the past 5 years or so in America, and with that has come a tremendous change in the way that people think about diesels. But also, when I was little diesel cost less than gasoline. Now it seems to fluctuate between being a bit higher and being a lot higher.

If you're in a position where you don't necessarily mind paying that extra $6,000 for the diesel (or however much it costs these days, I know my Dodge diesel cost an extra $6,000 new) vs. the V10, and you're only going to keep it until the warranty expires, then I'd say go with what makes you happy. It sounds like your situation is a bit different than most of the people on this forum.

 

I think I read that to quickly.
You get 20mpg in the city with a one ton dually?
Sorry, I fed 7.3's for a number of years and I don't buy that.
Even the old 6.9 can't get those numbers is a lighter truck.

 

Uliman, sure hope your 7.3 is as good to you as your V10 was. Diesel repair bills are huge and make a reliable V10's 12 MPG look pretty cheap by comparison.

I owned a 95 and 2000 7.3 Neither got anywhere close to 20MPG in town.
I never had the confidence to keep them after warranty but I will be keeping my V10 after warranty.

 

theoshin

As I read your long post above I got the idea my previous post struck a nerve and you felt compelled to justify your hard work and deserving rewards... I am truly sorry I gave you that impression...

I too spent a great deal of my life busting my ***... 24 years as an enlisted man in the Army was not a sure way to get rich as I bet you know...

In the end, what I said was that if the cost of ownership from a bang for the buck point of view was not the most important thing and that ease of re-sale was, then I agree the 6.4L PSD (in your area) may be the better choice...

I am interested in your last bit where you say ---"time to s... or get off the pot for me - i decide after the v10 test this saturday."

I hope you read here that the NEW, low mile V10s, are not initially impressive...especially the 2005 and up seem to take a LONG time to break in and gain their true HP potential....

having said that, how did the test drive go? Are you still impressed with the PSD or back on the fence?

 

Second post instead of a edit...just saw the test drive post.... I think my note above says what every one in the other threrad said..the 3v V10 andf 5R110w take a long time to shoe the true power and potential

 

a friend of mine got the 7.3 He went through 3 Turbo's in the first year. Not sure what the problem was. An other buddy chipped his 7.3 Harley Edt. with a super chip MAN does it Haul. You will have endless HP upgrades at reasonable prices. I must say I may switch to the oil burner.