6.0 programmer advice please
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6.0 programmer advice please
Truck is a 2005 F250 4x4 Ext. Cab 8ft bed 3.73 rear end with the 6.0 PSD, stock except straight pipe (which will soon be routed to a stack instead of underbody). Also soon to have CAI.
My question is what programmer should I go with. I am looking for more power (of course, can never have enough hahah), switch on the fly options, more smoke, and better mileage. I know these may not all be achieved with one power setting which is why I want to be able to switch between settings.
I have heard a lot of good things about the SCT livewire. Anybody have experience with this or any other quality programmer?? Bully Dog? Hypertech? Edge?? Banks?? etc. What's my best option to meet my needs??
Thanks for your help
My question is what programmer should I go with. I am looking for more power (of course, can never have enough hahah), switch on the fly options, more smoke, and better mileage. I know these may not all be achieved with one power setting which is why I want to be able to switch between settings.
I have heard a lot of good things about the SCT livewire. Anybody have experience with this or any other quality programmer?? Bully Dog? Hypertech? Edge?? Banks?? etc. What's my best option to meet my needs??
Thanks for your help
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Most on this forum will say "SCT". There is no doubt that these are great programmers. The new SCT 3 is pretty sweet!
Superchips is starting to get some attention with their Cortex programmer, since they are offering a 2 year powertrain warranty with it. If you are out of warranty, then this might not be that important.
You can see several products available here:
http://powerstrokegogo.com/index.php?categoryID=84
Superchips is starting to get some attention with their Cortex programmer, since they are offering a 2 year powertrain warranty with it. If you are out of warranty, then this might not be that important.
You can see several products available here:
http://powerstrokegogo.com/index.php?categoryID=84
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Originally Posted by Country4.2
I am looking for more power (of course, can never have enough hahah), switch on the fly options, more smoke, and better mileage. I know these may not all be achieved with one power setting which is why I want to be able to switch between settings.
I have heard a lot of good things about the SCT livewire. Anybody have experience with this or any other quality programmer?? Bully Dog? Hypertech? Edge?? Banks?? etc. What's my best option to meet my needs??
Thanks for your help
I have heard a lot of good things about the SCT livewire. Anybody have experience with this or any other quality programmer?? Bully Dog? Hypertech? Edge?? Banks?? etc. What's my best option to meet my needs??
Thanks for your help
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There's no such thing as a switch on the fly programmer for the 6.0L. You can only get fueling boxes which switch on the fly.
Saying SCT is the answer is like saying fuel is the answer to power problems. SCT is merely a platform, and that platform depends on the programmer making the tunes.
Research off the shelf programmers, and custom programmers. Don't just take someone's word for it because they like it. Traditionally people will say the programmer that's best is the one they happened to buy (go figure). Ask about longevity issues, driveability, shift problems, issues or quirks, mileage, warranty coverage, company policy if the tuner causes a problem, drive-train warranty (Superchips is the only company with a drive-train warranty right now but others are likely to follow), etc.
Smoke doesn't equate power in all cases. Smoke equates unburnt fuel.
Personally, given their history of bugs with new products, I'd stay away from the SCT Xcal 3 and Livewire, and stick with the XCal 2 if you go with SCT products. Many very good choices on the market these days.
Saying SCT is the answer is like saying fuel is the answer to power problems. SCT is merely a platform, and that platform depends on the programmer making the tunes.
Research off the shelf programmers, and custom programmers. Don't just take someone's word for it because they like it. Traditionally people will say the programmer that's best is the one they happened to buy (go figure). Ask about longevity issues, driveability, shift problems, issues or quirks, mileage, warranty coverage, company policy if the tuner causes a problem, drive-train warranty (Superchips is the only company with a drive-train warranty right now but others are likely to follow), etc.
Smoke doesn't equate power in all cases. Smoke equates unburnt fuel.
Personally, given their history of bugs with new products, I'd stay away from the SCT Xcal 3 and Livewire, and stick with the XCal 2 if you go with SCT products. Many very good choices on the market these days.
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Originally Posted by FTE Ken
There's no such thing as a switch on the fly programmer for the 6.0L. You can only get fueling boxes which switch on the fly.
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If Bully is doing that, then its news to me and it would certainly be unique since the EPROM can't be flashed while the vehicle is running. I would guess that they've loaded code to monitor the OBDII bus for a signal change and switch tables on the fly. Since we work with them as a sponsor I'll give them a shout and ask about it. I've been wrong before... 
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Well there are two ways that you are able to shift on the fly with their tuner, either have the tuner connected to the obd-II port and use the tuner to change it or use the outlook(which is also plugged to the obd-II port) and switch it off of there. But from how I'm reading thier ads when I was first looking at it, they were advertising it as a shift on the fly downloader(which I would equate that as a programmer(the device not the person) as well.
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Thanks for all the info guys!! I know that smoke is just unburnt fuel....but its for my cousins truck and he wants the smoke, I told him I would help him research the best product for his truck and his needs.
again thanks for all of your help
again thanks for all of your help
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My question is if you do mods to the engine, upgraded compressor wheel, intake housing, removing heater bolt on 7.3 intake these allow for more increase in airflow How do these programers adjust the fuel to not run lean or rich and shorten the life of the engine. They build these programmers for stock trucks, but can they sense changes in airflow and match the correct fuel to match. Most people will do other mods in addition to a programmer.
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Originally Posted by tboyle
My question is if you do mods to the engine, upgraded compressor wheel, intake housing, removing heater bolt on 7.3 intake these allow for more increase in airflow How do these programers adjust the fuel to not run lean or rich and shorten the life of the engine. They build these programmers for stock trucks, but can they sense changes in airflow and match the correct fuel to match. Most people will do other mods in addition to a programmer.
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Call Matt @ Spartan diesel in NC and get a custom tuned SCT, use analog guages. have read alot of concerns on the Livewire-not enough R&D yet maybe..Run a HOTTT tune and get alot of black some from yuor stacks and smoke the tires right off. W/ the Dynomax tune w/ converter Locked all the time above 10MPH I can smoek fro 0-70+MPH no problem.
Only shift on the fly is not that safest and only changes the inputs to the PCM.. but on top end you cannot add fuel where the stock flash in the PCM does not have any fuel programmed.. they only change values not rewite them as the SCT does.. The fueling boxes FOOL the PCM as to what it sees as inputs,the hot tunes from matt while pull all the way to 4,600RPM.AS you upgrade parts you simply call matt,he emails you new files and reflash your PCM.. takes no more than 10 minutes from email to tire smoke!!! you can alos change your speedo reading for gear and tire changes,remove or add a speed limiter.. get the SCT from Spartan the only way to go..
Only shift on the fly is not that safest and only changes the inputs to the PCM.. but on top end you cannot add fuel where the stock flash in the PCM does not have any fuel programmed.. they only change values not rewite them as the SCT does.. The fueling boxes FOOL the PCM as to what it sees as inputs,the hot tunes from matt while pull all the way to 4,600RPM.AS you upgrade parts you simply call matt,he emails you new files and reflash your PCM.. takes no more than 10 minutes from email to tire smoke!!! you can alos change your speedo reading for gear and tire changes,remove or add a speed limiter.. get the SCT from Spartan the only way to go..
