Michelin vs. Bridgestone
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From: Virginia
Originally Posted by KrAzYKARL
There is a new style of tire out under the LTX name. The LTX A/T-2 i work at a tire shop and we have been selling them like crazy, they do real good in the snow and are more aggressive than the LTX M/S that u might have had.
(I drive my company pickup 50-60k miles per year through all sorts of on-road and very light construction site off-road condition. I have tried most of the 265/75-16 models from most of the premium manufactures and really like the LTX M/S the best and give the Bridstone Revo a pretty high ranking)
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I have a 1998 Expy with the Bridgestone Dueler Revo's on it and just bought a 2004 Navigator with the Michelin LTX's on it. I have been a fan of the Revo's for a number of years now. I had then on my Dodge Ram QC prior to the Expy and I am now on my 2nd set on the Expy. They handle mud, snow and wet roads very well. I put 60000 miles on the first set on the Expy and they still had usable tread left. I only changed them becuase we were going into winter and I did not want to have any problems when the snow begain to fly.
As for the Michelins, I have only put about 3000 miles on the Navigator since buying it. So far, I can say the tires run nice and smooth and they seem to be quieter than the Expy with the Revo's. Of course, I think the Navigator is a more quiet truck than the Expy to begin with. When it's time for tires on the Gator, I will likely buy the Revo's agian.
I will also add that the GY Wranglers that were on both my Dodge and the Expy when I bought them were total junk. They slipped around on wet roads and scared the crap out of me too many times. I couldn't wait to get them replaced. I'll never run them again.
As for the Michelins, I have only put about 3000 miles on the Navigator since buying it. So far, I can say the tires run nice and smooth and they seem to be quieter than the Expy with the Revo's. Of course, I think the Navigator is a more quiet truck than the Expy to begin with. When it's time for tires on the Gator, I will likely buy the Revo's agian.
I will also add that the GY Wranglers that were on both my Dodge and the Expy when I bought them were total junk. They slipped around on wet roads and scared the crap out of me too many times. I couldn't wait to get them replaced. I'll never run them again.
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I too am in the market for tires (Minneapolis, so snow is a factor more than offroading). I've be stuck between Bridgestone Revo's & Michelin LTX. Of course I can't get to dealers to give me the same story twice. I like the look of the Revos, but I'm curious as to how loud the tires are. I really would prefer not to have a lot of road noise---I'm running the stock Continentals right now.
I appreciate the one comparison by rbeitz who had both tires. Out of curiousity, can you try and give an estimation of noise difference (factoring the difference between the navi & expy)? Also, what about overall handling?
Thanks
I appreciate the one comparison by rbeitz who had both tires. Out of curiousity, can you try and give an estimation of noise difference (factoring the difference between the navi & expy)? Also, what about overall handling?
Thanks
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From: Virginia
Originally Posted by tkd
I too am in the market for tires (Minneapolis, so snow is a factor more than offroading). I've be stuck between Bridgestone Revo's & Michelin LTX. Of course I can't get to dealers to give me the same story twice. I like the look of the Revos, but I'm curious as to how loud the tires are. I really would prefer not to have a lot of road noise---I'm running the stock Continentals right now.
I appreciate the one comparison by rbeitz who had both tires. Out of curiousity, can you try and give an estimation of noise difference (factoring the difference between the navi & expy)? Also, what about overall handling?
Thanks
I appreciate the one comparison by rbeitz who had both tires. Out of curiousity, can you try and give an estimation of noise difference (factoring the difference between the navi & expy)? Also, what about overall handling?
Thanks
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Either one is a winner.
tkd, I live in Minnesota (Twin Cities) and I have both the Revo's (on my Excursion) and the Michelin LTX on dads Explorer.
Both are great tires. If you plan on any off road or dirt road driving then get the Revo's.
The one downside of the Revo's which I mentioned previously is that the tread pattern picks up rocks and doesn't "kick them off easily" but with that said they are a quiet tire when on road. This is true as my V10 Excursion is heavy and I don't like the howl from many off road design tires.
The LTX can be used somewhat off road but the tread is designed more for snow and water but they ride great over the road and are very quiet.
You will win either way as I believe they are the 2 best tires for a truck on the market right now.
In my opinion I don't care for the tread design of the new Michelin LTX AT-2 and will buy the old style & proven winner LTX M/S.
Compare prices and what you want out of your tires and remember that in tires you get what you pay for.
Rich.
Both are great tires. If you plan on any off road or dirt road driving then get the Revo's.
The one downside of the Revo's which I mentioned previously is that the tread pattern picks up rocks and doesn't "kick them off easily" but with that said they are a quiet tire when on road. This is true as my V10 Excursion is heavy and I don't like the howl from many off road design tires.
The LTX can be used somewhat off road but the tread is designed more for snow and water but they ride great over the road and are very quiet.
You will win either way as I believe they are the 2 best tires for a truck on the market right now.
In my opinion I don't care for the tread design of the new Michelin LTX AT-2 and will buy the old style & proven winner LTX M/S.
Compare prices and what you want out of your tires and remember that in tires you get what you pay for.
Rich.
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Originally Posted by Move over I'm coming
... will buy the old style & proven winner LTX M/S...
Actually, I think Michelin needs to be called out on misleading advertising for the M/S. Their website says clearly:
Our best-selling light truck tire,...
But the majority of tires listed are P-metric with the disclaimer in the fine print of the specs:
* Passenger sizes used in Light Truck/SUV applications have reduced load capacity. This will differ from the maximum load branded on the tire sidewall....
Anyway,
As far as I can tell, to move up to a Michelin real LT (light truck) tire in standard Expy sizes, you have only two choices:
- LTX A/T-2 : But it's really an all-terrain tire, not an optimised road tire
- LTX A/S : speed rating drops to E!!! (40mph!)
other than the commercial or re-branded lines.
If someone knows a way around this, I'm all ears.
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Originally Posted by fred_79f250
Personally I'm having some emotional problems with the discovery that the LTX M/S is a p-metric (passenger) tire in the 265/70R17 size (stock size for my '00 EB XP) with stock recommended pressures of just 30psi-front and 35psi-rear. Is this is a truck or mom's commuting car? When I add 2,000lbs of ceramic tile for a job to the vehicle weight, I'll be seriously pushing the 2,300lb/tire load limit of these tires.
Actually, I think Michelin needs to be called out on misleading advertising for the M/S. Their website says clearly:
Our best-selling light truck tire,...
But the majority of tires listed are P-metric with the disclaimer in the fine print of the specs:
* Passenger sizes used in Light Truck/SUV applications have reduced load capacity. This will differ from the maximum load branded on the tire sidewall....
Anyway,
As far as I can tell, to move up to a Michelin real LT (light truck) tire in standard Expy sizes, you have only two choices:
- LTX A/T-2 : But it's really an all-terrain tire, not an optimised road tire
- LTX A/S : speed rating drops to E!!! (40mph!)
other than the commercial or re-branded lines.
If someone knows a way around this, I'm all ears.
Actually, I think Michelin needs to be called out on misleading advertising for the M/S. Their website says clearly:
Our best-selling light truck tire,...
But the majority of tires listed are P-metric with the disclaimer in the fine print of the specs:
* Passenger sizes used in Light Truck/SUV applications have reduced load capacity. This will differ from the maximum load branded on the tire sidewall....
Anyway,
As far as I can tell, to move up to a Michelin real LT (light truck) tire in standard Expy sizes, you have only two choices:
- LTX A/T-2 : But it's really an all-terrain tire, not an optimised road tire
- LTX A/S : speed rating drops to E!!! (40mph!)
other than the commercial or re-branded lines.
If someone knows a way around this, I'm all ears.
Should be enough for my 3900lb hybrid trailer.
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From: Denton, TX
Originally Posted by fred_79f250
- LTX A/S : speed rating drops to E!!! (40mph!)
Should be plenty for you to haul your tiles. And I'm sure you don't drive 100+mph with them on board. And probably not too often even without them.
Then again, if you haul such amounts quite often, you might want to think about getting a truck for that duty.
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Move Over,
Thanks for the perspective. I'm also now in the Twin Cities, so you obviously get the idea of tires & snow Great to hear the perspective on each tire. My only off-roading is maybe 1-2 times per year on dirt roads for pheasant hunting, other than that, pretty much a highway hauler.
thanks!
Thanks for the perspective. I'm also now in the Twin Cities, so you obviously get the idea of tires & snow Great to hear the perspective on each tire. My only off-roading is maybe 1-2 times per year on dirt roads for pheasant hunting, other than that, pretty much a highway hauler.
thanks!
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Originally Posted by TexFinn
At least according to TireRack's website the speed rating for 265/70-17 LTX A/S is R (106mph) and load rating is E. Linky..
http://www.michelinman.com/tires/lig...specifications
Select Specs for LT 265/70R17/E
Go down to "Speed and Load Ratings:"
it says:
"Speed Ratings : E"
I doubt that even exists.
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Originally Posted by tkd
I appreciate the one comparison by rbeitz who had both tires. Out of curiousity, can you try and give an estimation of noise difference (factoring the difference between the navi & expy)? Also, what about overall handling?
Thanks
Both the Revo's and Michelins track very well on the road. Just looking at the tires, the Revo's look to be more aggressive tread but they are very quiet. From my perspective they both handle about the same. I can't comment on how the Michelins do in snow as I have not used them in snow yet but, the Revo's on my Expy handled the snow very well.
Bottom line, I don't think you can go wrong with either tire.
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From: Virginia
Originally Posted by rbeitz
Honestly I don't think the noise differences between the Expy and the Navi have anything to do with the tires. The Expy is 10 years old with 205K miles and is just more loose with age. The Navi is very tight and quiet at this point. Again, I don't think the noise difference I hear is the tires.
Both the Revo's and Michelins track very well on the road. Just looking at the tires, the Revo's look to be more aggressive tread but they are very quiet. From my perspective they both handle about the same. I can't comment on how the Michelins do in snow as I have not used them in snow yet but, the Revo's on my Expy handled the snow very well.
Bottom line, I don't think you can go wrong with either tire.
Both the Revo's and Michelins track very well on the road. Just looking at the tires, the Revo's look to be more aggressive tread but they are very quiet. From my perspective they both handle about the same. I can't comment on how the Michelins do in snow as I have not used them in snow yet but, the Revo's on my Expy handled the snow very well.
Bottom line, I don't think you can go wrong with either tire.
the REVO is a VERY quite tire, as far as LT A/T tires go, proably the quitest I've came across... I think you are going to be struggling to hear them if you have your windows up
the Michelin LTX M/S is a VERY Quite Tire. period
(albeit available only in P-metric in the 17" sizes)
BTW, if you live in an area that get serious snow and experiances long stretches of freezing winter weather, you need to Forego "All-Season" tires altogether and get Real, Dedicated Snow&Ice Tires like the Bridgstone Blizzaks
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