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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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knock sensor?

Hello fellow ford truckers, I have a 1994 Ford F150 XLT 302 5.0L automatic truck. Where exactly is the knock sensor located? I still am having pinging problems after changing spark plugs, wires, cap and rotor, doing the seafoam thing <---(Not much smoke at all), changing the egr valve with a new one, and timing on 10degrees. Any clues on whats going on... It is smooth on acceleration, but with pinging on part throttle/full throttle.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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Its been a long time .... but i believe its on top , on the very back of the block ..... by the firewall .

Have tried lowering the timing to 8 deg ?
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 06:46 PM
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one problem you might have is are you pulling the spout connector before you time it? if its pinging at 10degrees then you have some pretty bad gas, i run mine at 12degrees advance and have no pinging issues

hers some dirrections http://fordfuelinjection.com/?p=71 your spout connector is on or near the distributeri think
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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yeah, i have spout off when i check the timing... I have not gone below specs or below 10deg. Years ago, i used to run it on 14deg and it ran great. Now it pings at 10deg after changing/checking everything.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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i wonder if your solenoid that allows the EGR to operate is bad . Run the vacuum right to the EGR .... bypassing the solenoid , and let us know if that cures the pinging .

The solenoids job is to shut off the EGR when the engines cold . It might be keeping it off .
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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what are the consequences of runing a direct vacuum if any to the egr? I've thought about doing that?
 
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EGR vacuum hose....where does it lead to? It runs behind my intake and i'm not sure where it leads to. Thanks
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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follow the vac hose to the solenoid ..... pull the 2 hoses off it and connect them together with a connector . No harm in this whatsoever .
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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You shouldn't run direct vacuum to the EGR valve unless you want the engine to run terribly and lose a lot of power. The EGR vacuum supply is controlled by the computer via a valve mounted above the driver side valve cover -- it's not an on/off temperature switch. Running direct vacuum also will not tell you anything about the source of the pinging. If running the EGR valve wide open does not cure pinging, something is really wrong, so there's not a lot to learn from that exercise.

Check fuel pressure, and if you happen to have a mass air truck, try cleaning the mass airflow meter. The wires inside can get dirty and send a signal corresponding to a lower mass flow value than is actually entering the engine, causing a lean condition and timing more advanced than it would be for the correct air flow.

Here is a picture of the knock sensor location:
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EPNCSU2006
You shouldn't run direct vacuum to the EGR valve unless you want the engine to run terribly and lose a lot of power. The EGR vacuum supply is controlled by the computer via a valve mounted above the driver side valve cover -- it's not an on/off temperature switch. Running direct vacuum also will not tell you anything about the source of the pinging.
aww crap . I forgot that when they made the computer control the EGR that it used direct vacuuum instead of part throttle vacuum .


Yeah you cant connect those 2 hoses .



Originally Posted by EPNCSU2006

Check fuel pressure, and if you happen to have a mass air truck, try cleaning the mass airflow meter.

Here is a picture of the knock sensor location
Umm ..... if you paid attention in Fuel inj Class like I did .... you would know that on a Mass Air Flow truck ... there is NO KNOCK SENSOR . So he obviously has speed density ... No MAF ...

No wait .... let me think .
 

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It's MUCH easier to get to if you pull the plenum off. Knock sensors rarely go bad though.

The EGR system should throw a code if it's not working right. Have you checked for codes?

One other thing to check is your plug wire routing, and use good high quality wires. I prefer Ford Racing or Motorcraft. These are made to fit right too. Make sure they're routed exactly like the sticker says.
 
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Originally Posted by Musclestang
Umm ..... if you paid attention in Fuel inj Class like I did .... you would know that on a Mass Air Flow truck ... there is NO KNOCK SENSOR . So he obviously has speed density ... No MAF .
Umm...I have a 95 F-150, 302 automatic. It's MAF and I guarantee there's a knock sensor back there.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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My truck is mass air flow, i just made a wire to do self test...so then i have no knock senor?
 
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You probably do. Look way back behind the plenum towards the passenger side for a black two wire connector (looks like the ECT and IAT connectors). You can also see it by crawling underneath and getting at just the right angle.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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hold up .... i might have them backwards .... maybe its the cars that dont have a knock sensor with MAF in the early 90's . Aww crap Im getting old and rusty .
 
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