'94 Ranger: Front Tire Cupping
#16
Originally Posted by 77300i6
Hi Everyone!
After a year and half hiatus of visiting this site, I just bought another Ford truck.
1994 Ranger X-Cab 4x4
4.0L / 5spd.
The truck has Dayton Timberline M/T's on it in 31x10.5x15 size. OEM size is 265/75/15.
The tires are practically new (still has molding **** on the side walls), but the front tires are cupping pretty bad.
Could anyone provide any insight to why this is happening? I am going to replace them, but need to figure out what caused them to do this.
The wheel alignment doesn't seem to be too bad. It drifts when I let go of the steering wheel, but it doesn't constantly fight me going down the road.
Would worn out shocks cause this?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
oh, and it's great to be back on the site!
After a year and half hiatus of visiting this site, I just bought another Ford truck.
1994 Ranger X-Cab 4x4
4.0L / 5spd.
The truck has Dayton Timberline M/T's on it in 31x10.5x15 size. OEM size is 265/75/15.
The tires are practically new (still has molding **** on the side walls), but the front tires are cupping pretty bad.
Could anyone provide any insight to why this is happening? I am going to replace them, but need to figure out what caused them to do this.
The wheel alignment doesn't seem to be too bad. It drifts when I let go of the steering wheel, but it doesn't constantly fight me going down the road.
Would worn out shocks cause this?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
oh, and it's great to be back on the site!
#17
Yeah, its possible that shocks and or struts will cause wear. The shock and or strut actually indirectly causes the wear. As the tire bounces up and down from the worn shock, the alignment angles jump in and out of range (depending on how bad things are).
I have seen a worn out strut cause DIRECT tire wear. Where the tire isnt even making contact with the ground 90 percent of the time. Its actually kind of fun, grab a lawn chair, pull up a case of (root)beer and place it next to a road with a good pot hole in it. You can see cars with good shocks/struts go over the bump, the shock absorbs the impact, and the tire maintains contact with the road. Cars with worn out shocks/struts will hit the pot hole, the tire will bounce off the ground, rebound off the ground, go in the air again, and the tire skips on the ground until the energy from hitting the pot hole is lost. Its sort of scary to watch.
One bad wheel bearing can cause both tires to wear. Once one side is off, the other side will pull against it. In other words, say you have a bad passenger wheel bearing. It will give you a negative camber reading, causing the passenger tire to push the vehicle to the left. But the drivers front tire will want to keep going in a strait line. So the passenger tire will be pushing the drivers tire out of the strait line it naturally wants to go in.
Or it could be just caused by lack of rotation...
I have seen a worn out strut cause DIRECT tire wear. Where the tire isnt even making contact with the ground 90 percent of the time. Its actually kind of fun, grab a lawn chair, pull up a case of (root)beer and place it next to a road with a good pot hole in it. You can see cars with good shocks/struts go over the bump, the shock absorbs the impact, and the tire maintains contact with the road. Cars with worn out shocks/struts will hit the pot hole, the tire will bounce off the ground, rebound off the ground, go in the air again, and the tire skips on the ground until the energy from hitting the pot hole is lost. Its sort of scary to watch.
One bad wheel bearing can cause both tires to wear. Once one side is off, the other side will pull against it. In other words, say you have a bad passenger wheel bearing. It will give you a negative camber reading, causing the passenger tire to push the vehicle to the left. But the drivers front tire will want to keep going in a strait line. So the passenger tire will be pushing the drivers tire out of the strait line it naturally wants to go in.
Or it could be just caused by lack of rotation...
#18
#19
Just to post about the back end shimmy thing.
I've driven quite a few Rangers and they all do that over rough ground when there's nothing in the back. Now mind you I'm not speaking about your cupping problem, just the shimmying you mentioned in the back over rough pavement.
I've heard you can get rear stabilizer bars to correct that, but I've never explored that option before. I doubt it's the shocks, I've never seen the rear shocks wear out on a Ranger - typically the front's will wear out WAY before the rears do.
I've driven quite a few Rangers and they all do that over rough ground when there's nothing in the back. Now mind you I'm not speaking about your cupping problem, just the shimmying you mentioned in the back over rough pavement.
I've heard you can get rear stabilizer bars to correct that, but I've never explored that option before. I doubt it's the shocks, I've never seen the rear shocks wear out on a Ranger - typically the front's will wear out WAY before the rears do.
#20
Thanks! ^^^
Actually my ranger has a rear stabilizer bar on it.
Of the other trucks I've owned, only this one will jump jump around like that.
The only other truck I drove that did that was a mid 80's dodge (not mine), but that thing had super heavy duty springs (read STIFF) on it.
I believe the front shocks are shot on it. If I push on the top of the fender and rock it back and forth (side to side), it still moves around after I quit.
Actually my ranger has a rear stabilizer bar on it.
Of the other trucks I've owned, only this one will jump jump around like that.
The only other truck I drove that did that was a mid 80's dodge (not mine), but that thing had super heavy duty springs (read STIFF) on it.
I believe the front shocks are shot on it. If I push on the top of the fender and rock it back and forth (side to side), it still moves around after I quit.
Last edited by 77300i6; 09-28-2007 at 10:04 AM.
#21
Originally Posted by 77300i6
Thanks! ^^^
Actually my ranger has a rear stabilizer bar on it.
Of the other trucks I've owned, only this one will jump jump around like that.
The only other truck I drove that did that was a mid 80's dodge (not mine), but that thing had super heavy duty springs (read STIFF) on it.
I believe the front shocks are shot on it. If I push on the top of the fender and rock it back and forth (side to side), it still moves around after I quit.
Actually my ranger has a rear stabilizer bar on it.
Of the other trucks I've owned, only this one will jump jump around like that.
The only other truck I drove that did that was a mid 80's dodge (not mine), but that thing had super heavy duty springs (read STIFF) on it.
I believe the front shocks are shot on it. If I push on the top of the fender and rock it back and forth (side to side), it still moves around after I quit.
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