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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 21-Aug-01 AT 05:10 PM (EST)[/font][p]I was referring to the 332/361/391 cid engines mentioned above as having come in medium duty (F500, 750, etc.) trucks. BBB is right, of course, as to the 534 and related engines. The smaller FT engines are similar in external dimensions to the FE engines and could be made to fit into light duty trucks, though I don't see why anyone would really want to. I don't believe that MEL engines or their transmissions can even be made to fit, at least not without major custom fabrication, frame strengthening, etc.
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69 F100 Explorer lwb 2wd FE 360 C6. WANTED: straight/clean styleside long box w/aux fuel tank for 67-69 F series.
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69 F100 Explorer lwb 2wd FE 360 C6. WANTED: straight/clean styleside long box w/aux fuel tank for 67-69 F series.
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 21-Aug-01 AT 07:09 PM (EST)[/font][p]
All FE's and FT's after 1964 were cast with 4 bolt holes on each side, FT's just used a motor plate, that is why you can have a FT block sonic checked and if it passes it can and was by ford used as a 428 service replacement block
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None of those engines are bolt-in replacements in light duty trucks, and none are "FE" engines. They are FT blocks, and differ somewhat from the FE castings. The most obvious external clue that you have a FT block as opposed to a FE are the engine mount holes. If each is drilled for 4 bolts, you have a FT block. It will not fit FE engine mounts, which used either 2 bolts (58-64) or three bolts (65-76) on each side.
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That's a 534 short block, I saw it at a swap meet and remembered reading about them a long time ago so I took 4 pics of it, kinda interesting, the cam is gear to gear connected like a straight six, it has the 409 or MEL type combustion chamber. Definitely a interesting piece
What Blocks are these pictures of ???????
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You should pull that out of the crate and put it beside a 390 or 460 and show these guys how difficult such a swap to a F100 would be!
A stock 534 has a 4.500 Bore, 4.200 Stroke, developed 481 ft/lb @ 1700 RPM with 7.5:1 compression and 4BBL carb.
We had one in a '68 dump truck and it seemed a little doggy loaded or not, but I blamed it on the fact that it was propane powered and a very heavy 10-wheeler.
A stock 534 has a 4.500 Bore, 4.200 Stroke, developed 481 ft/lb @ 1700 RPM with 7.5:1 compression and 4BBL carb.
We had one in a '68 dump truck and it seemed a little doggy loaded or not, but I blamed it on the fact that it was propane powered and a very heavy 10-wheeler.
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You should pull that out of the crate and put it beside a 390 or 460 and show these guys how difficult such a swap to a F100 would be!
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This information comes from a salesman's "facts&features" book cira 1961 about the Superduty V-8s in the medium& heavy duty truck lines. They list both "gross",as well as "net" power figures.These are the gross numbers:401 2-V:206@3,600rpm and 341 ft.lbs.@1,600-1,800rpm;401 4-V:226@3,600rpm and 343 ft.lbs.@2,000-2,600rpm;477 2-V:231@3,400rpm and 412 ft.lbs.@1,400-1,800rpm;477 4-V:253@3,400rpm and 415 ft.lbs.@2,000-2,600rpm;534 4-V:266@3,200rpm and 481 ft.lbs.@1,600-1,800rpm.The FT-series V-8s were introduced in 1958...same year as the FE-series 332cid&352cid passenger car engines. They are similar,but I don't think many of their parts can interchange. The FT-series engines also included the 332HD,361,389"XD"(mid-70s "391"),the 391,and a"475"(mid-70s "477").The FT engines were phased out after 1978. The 534 engine was strictly a 4 bbl. engine from what I was told, and it's highest bhp rating was 277 horsepower by the late 1960's. I don't think any performance pieces exist to wake these brutes up,but they still are impressive....and they must've been of good design,hundreds of thousands of these big V-8s found their way into everything from F-600s to FT-1100 tandem axle trucks! COOL!
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I have some more FT-series V-8 info.There was also a 361&361HD,which was basically a "truckized" version of the FE-series 360 found in '68 thru '76 year pickups.Actually, I think the 361&361HD engines came first,then the 360 was made for the pickups. There also were the 391&391HD engines which basically are "truckized" 390 FE engines. I heard that the forged steel crankshaft from a 391,or 391HD can be used in a 390 passenger car/pickup FE,but it's "a lot of $". Something about the 391's crank snout having to be machined down...I am not too sure about this info. In a somewhat FE/FT-related note,I have a piece of trivia for you. The 302 Windsor was the first&only 302cid V-8 that FoMoCo built,right? WRONG!!! The first 302 Ford built was the 302HD,back in the late 50's.It was a Y-block design-like the 272&292cid V-8s-and was only offered in medium&heavy duty trucks.These "gross" horsepower&torque figures were from a '61 302HD V-8:187@3,000 and 280 ft. lbs.@2,600-2,800rpm. The 302HD replaced the 292HD by 1961. Not a true FE/FT engine, but Y-blocks are similar in design.
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Hi, the 302 HD, and the 332 HD that I refered to in my earlier replies, shared the same block. Does this mean it is was a different 332 than the ones in this forum? (being a Y-block as opposed to an FE)?
Thanks for any light you can shed!
Kenny
Thanks for any light you can shed!
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Hi, I believe so.The 302HD was introduced in 1956 for the F-750 models. It featured a 3.62" bore X 3.66" stroke,and had a 7.5:1 compression ratio.In 1957, the 332HD was introduced for the big T-750&T-800 jobs. It must have been a Y-block,too,because the FE/FTs didn't come out until 1958. Earlier, I said the 292HD was replaced by the 302HD by '61. They list the 292HD in '62&'63, so just goes to show you....so many engines were offered in these trucks,nothing would surprise me. A Y-block 332& a FT-series 332. My guess is the 302HD&332HD had a different block.
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The 330HD, 361HD and 391HD can be used in any application using a standard FE as long as you change the intake and heads. The HD's intakes have a thicker deck and the heads have unique exhaust bolt patterns that don't match up to standard FE's. A 330, 361 or 391 crank cannot be used in a standard block unless you turn it down .010" because they are .010" OVER in stock form. Also the 4spd tranny was standard and the 4spd/OD was an option used mainly on County, State and Fire Department vehicles.