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I don't think it's just engineers that behave that way. Anybody who does that is a jerk, whether they are an engineer or not. Like having a know-it-all at Best Buy come up and start telling you how to wire your house and using big words that he read in a magazine somewhere but using them in the completely wrong way!
Thats my point, its not only engineers that are "tools". It would be interesting to see how many people are "tools" when their career, license, etc. is being put on the line with every project they design/build. Like I said before, there are "tools" in all professions and walks of life. How many people like lawyers/attorneys?
I agree with BF250 on the two types of engineers, since I worked closely with many on the production floor. I am now working at becoming one, but you can always tell the ones that have practical experience, and the ones that just have their office time...
"I just don't understand what the problem is...It worked on paper.."
Makomaker's new neighbor was being the "tool" by trying to dictate how makomaker should build his house.
Help me out here. I didn't read anywhere that the neighbor asked or demanded any changes in the plans.
It wasn't smart of him to interfere with the construction crew. Escpecailly when he could have gotten a look at the plans elsewhere. But I didn't read that he demaned they stop or alter construction.
Help me out here. I didn't read anywhere that the neighbor asked or demanded any changes in the plans.
Maybe I read too much into it, but it sounded like it to me. I've highlighted the key word below. Kinda like "You'd better do it this way so it doesnt affect the value of the house I'm going to build."
Originally Posted by makomaker
he starts babbling about owning the lot next to this house and how big a house he's going to build, and he just wanted to make sure my plans were SUFFICIENT for the subdivision, and how this house was going to look next to his house.
I guess I'm a bigger tool than anyone here......If I didn't know who the guy was and I knew he wasn't a part of any work crew that was working on MY house, I would have walked up to him as soon as he set foot on the property and tried to find out WTF he was and what he wanted.....I'm wondering why you sat there in your truck and allowed this unknown individual to interrupt the crew working on your house....then let it go on for a time....THEN took your sweet time diddy-bopping over to see what was what.....
I guess I'm a bigger tool than anyone here......If I didn't know who the guy was and I knew he wasn't a part of any work crew that was working on MY house, I would have walked up to him as soon as he set foot on the property and tried to find out WTF he was and what he wanted.....I'm wondering why you sat there in your truck and allowed this unknown individual to interrupt the crew working on your house....then let it go on for a time....THEN took your sweet time diddy-bopping over to see what was what.....
Nope, your not a bigger tool than me because I agree with you. If somebody who I had no clue who they were drove their chebby right up to the slab of the house I was building for myself I would be on their butt trying to figure out who they were faster than .... well I can't use that saying here and I can't think of any other ones right now.
So a professional civil engineer who’s going to be your future neighbor takes 10 minutes of your workers time and gives you a free evaluation of your job. He may look at plans all day long and thought he was doing you a favor. Since what’s done was already done I would have said something like ‘Thanks for the input. If you see anything out of the ordinary I’d appreciate your advice.’ You might have made a friend. Some are tools and some power tools.
I think bf250 pretty much nailed it. Engineering schools don't really prepare you for the "real world". People who are down to earth and aren't the high-and-mighty, I'm-better-than-you types usually don't become teachers. Stick a bunch of 20 yr olds into a room, bombard them with technical info for 4 years with guys who think they're better than everyone else, teach them everything they know from a book, and guess what they're gonna turn out to be?
Guys who drive a "white cab and a half chevy" and say things like "I'm a civil engineer for the city.........."
I'm an engineer and I know exactly what you mean. I went to an engineering college that offered mechanical, electrical, industrial, and chemical engineering (no civil engineering but I'm sure they're similar types of people). I'm from a pretty humble upbringing and I was floored when I got to college how many douschebags were there. They all drove these nice cars that their mommies and daddies paid for and acted like they were better than everyone......made me sick. Not everyone was that bad but a surprisingly large amount was. My college was a co-op school (so I had 2.5 yrs work experience by the time I graduated) and I used to wonder if these people acted like this at their jobs too....how appalling!
My dad works for the drain commission and has had some interesting stories dealing with civil engineers.
I think the OP jumped the gun somewhat on this one. It's not like he showed up onsite telling you how to do your job. I think he has every right to know what the house is going to look like that is going to be next to one he is going to build. Maybe he wanted to see the plans to see how much information is needed on his plans that may be in the process of being drawn up.
I don't know about you but if I was spending some serious coin building a new house, I would like to see what the houses around me are going to look like.
If he didn't tell you how to do your job, what difference does it make what profession he is in?
Instead of jumping the gun, maybe ask more questions. Why start burning bridges with your new neighbors already? He might come in handy in the future.
I don't think anyone has "every right to know what the house is going to look like."
America. Land of the free, home of the brave. Life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness. If taking the LIBERTY of building your house with purple siding and green polka-dots is your idea of the pursuit of happiness, then your neighbors can all take a long walk off a short pier. Here's the deal. When you buy land in this country, that's what you buy (well, rent from the gov't, but property taxes are another discussion). You don't buy the VIEW. If you want to control the view from your land, then you need to buy the land that contains that view, too.
Personally, I'm with Steve...I would have headed this one off at the pass. I would have been friendly, but I would have found out who the stranger was tresspassing on my jobsite.
I come from a family full of engineers (spent a little time in that discipline in college myself). We aren't all bad.
I don't think anyone has "every right to know what the house is going to look like."
America. Land of the free, home of the brave. Life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness. If taking the LIBERTY of building your house with purple siding and green polka-dots is your idea of the pursuit of happiness, then your neighbors can all take a long walk off a short pier. Here's the deal. When you buy land in this country, that's what you buy (well, rent from the gov't, but property taxes are another discussion). You don't buy the VIEW. If you want to control the view from your land, then you need to buy the land that contains that view, too.
Personally, I'm with Steve...I would have headed this one off at the pass. I would have been friendly, but I would have found out who the stranger was tresspassing on my jobsite.
I come from a family full of engineers (spent a little time in that discipline in college myself). We aren't all bad.
Jason
I can appreiciate your pariotism, but denying ones right to know what the house is going to look like kinda goes against your land of the free statement. Yes, he could have taken other avenues to see what the house was going to look like, but why? He was maybe at the right place at the right time. Just being alittle nosy that's all. IMHO
And on your not buying a view when purchasing property, I take it you don't have a lakefront cottage or house? So I have to buy the lake too?
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