Notices
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks

Paint

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 7, 2007 | 11:00 PM
  #16  
kenseth17's Avatar
kenseth17
Elder User
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 719
Likes: 0
From: green bay, WI
If your having it done, I'd say let your painter use what he is accustomed and most comfortable with. All in all, ppg, dupont, basf and other big names are fairly comparable in quality and price within similar level lines. True, its usually recommended to stay with a system throughout undercoats, paint and clear, but most companys primers and clears seem pretty compatable with others basecoats and many will mix products, if not certified by one of the paint companys and offering the lifetime warrenty on certain failures. Most painters are going to use basecoat with a clear urethane or polyurethane over it. Base drys fairly quickly and if you get an imperfection in it, you can repair and go on. The clear provides uv protection to the color, adds a little more depth, and will be about the easiest to repair in the future. A better line of urethane should last very well exposed to the elements with little upkeep and maitenance. And really doesn't need regular waxing. Many concerned with originality think urethane clear looks a little too good compared to single stage enamel which was used on a lot of older vehicles. I'd stay away from lacquer. A buff lacquer job can look very nice, but is at the bottom as far as durability, holding up to all the things a driven vechile faces, and against fading, shrinking and cracking. Also with the high voc, not very environmentally friendly,Also with the high voc, which is why its been outlawed many years now in many areas and also requires quite a few coats applied. Enamel is a step above lacquer, and better if its activated. For the best long lasting finish with little upkeep, I'd use a urethane or polyurethane, along with epoxy primer to seal bodywork and metal areas up, and use activated products. Yeah, things aren't too cheap today, and harder and harder to find someone, at least collision shops, that will take pm any rust repairs, complete paint or an older vehicle. For show quality, your looking at quite a bit of time, and quite a few grand just to prep and paint. Materials are really expensive these days for the better lines from any of the big boys. Me personally, I use to be a ppg fan, but plan on using more Southern Polyurethanes http://southernpolyurethanes.com products on future work I do, at least there universal clear for sure. I used there clear on a car last summer, its as of good of or better quality then the big guys like ppg and dupont, really looked great, buffed the easiest of any clear I've ever used, and its price isn't much more then the lower lines from the big boys. Hear great things about there epoxy primer and other products as well from some painters turning out some pretty nice looking work on some nice vehicles.
 
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2007 | 11:12 PM
  #17  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 784
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by peecubed
Have the laws changes within the last six months? Because I've been buying and using single stage urethane as well as had my whole truck sprayed with single stage urethane about 12 months ago. The truck was sprayed at a high volume shop in my area that obviously adheres to the laws and I buy my paint from a large chain auto paint supply store. The truck was sprayed in BASF LIMCO series paints and I've been painting alot of miscellaneous items in the DuPont Nason series paints. Both are a single stage catalyzed urethane with the low VOC (3.5 lbs/gal) rating. I am also in the Bay Area, which is usually on of the strictist areas for stuff like this.
Bay Area = San Francisco, San Diego, or Santa Monica?

I took my 1968 Galaxie XL in to be repainted (as original-acrylic enamel) two years ago. The fellow that has done all my work since 1966 (in Venice) informed me that CA now only allows Clear Coat 2 stage. I called the Ford dealer I used to work for (in Los Angeles), and spoke with their body shop manager. Same story. No more acrylic enamel/lacquer, nitrocelluose, no regular Duco enamel, no Imron. Friends are hauling their cars to AZ to be painted, so there's gotta be a reason. I'm not familiar with urethane, so I can't say if it's illegal or not. I was told only 2 stage clear coat is allowed.


And that's what went on the car.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Aug 7, 2007 at 11:23 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2007 | 11:28 PM
  #18  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 784
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by raerjim
Number dummy, I just noticed something... 8,300 posts since last November!!!!! When do you sleep man???
I'm retired, I'm disabled, so I'm home a lot. It's a known fact that the older you get, the less sleep you need. I still get about 6-7 hours, tho not all at the same time.
 
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2007 | 11:59 PM
  #19  
peecubed's Avatar
peecubed
Senior User
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
From: San Francisco, CA
San Francisco bay area, but the body shop that sprayed it said they bought all their paints from a Los Angeles supplier, so I think both area laws are relevant here. Just look for the paints that have '3.5' at the end of their name...they're all legal in CA. I know the BASF product was 'LIMCO 3 3.5 URETHANE'. I can't remember the exact designation for the Nason, but it was the 3.5 style as well.
 
Reply
Old Aug 8, 2007 | 12:43 AM
  #20  
NumberDummy's Avatar
NumberDummy
Ford Parts Specialist
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 88,826
Likes: 784
From: Simi Valley, CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by peecubed
San Francisco bay area, but the body shop that sprayed it said they bought all their paints from a Los Angeles supplier, so I think both area laws are relevant here. Just look for the paints that have '3.5' at the end of their name...they're all legal in CA. I know the BASF product was 'LIMCO 3 3.5 URETHANE'. I can't remember the exact designation for the Nason, but it was the 3.5 style as well.
LA supplier: Prolly Thompson Lacquer Company, or Cal-State Automotive & Paint.

I'll call them in the AM, and post what they tell me on FTE.

(I'll add the phone number and person's name for reference).

Two different individuals gave me the Clear Coat info.

Both are in LA County, so mebbe it's a county thing.

Yes, we have county laws that are different than other places in CA.

For example: When you buy ammunition, you have to sign for it.

Another: All cats and dogs must have microchips.
 

Last edited by NumberDummy; Aug 8, 2007 at 12:53 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 8, 2007 | 12:15 PM
  #21  
WALFORD'S 56's Avatar
WALFORD'S 56
Postmaster
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,525
Likes: 1
From: oh
Beginners should read up on paint supplies BEFORE spraying! You need to remember--dirt and bugs are a problem and make ALL precautions to keep area painting in,clean. The faster the drying time,generally the better the outcome with a 1st time paint job. This is why laquers were so great and I have sprayed it 100s of times.Today,it is out classed by base coat clear coats and VERY EASY to learn to spray. Ask any painter that sprayed straight enamel . IMHO -for the 1st time painter---cleanliness and preparation under the paint mean more than the topcoat. You will want a slick smooth outcome --but---a lot of wet sanding and respraying will prevail. Paint is an oil product and thus expensive--I sprayed my 1st water based auto paint and really think they have something there!!!I actually liked it--and I thought it was going to be crap!! My experience is to have a nice clean area to paint--watch the weather--and tack rag and clean---and right reducer for the day. Laquer is still a good choice--but you will think it is ALOT OF WORK!!!! Bill
 
Reply
Old Aug 8, 2007 | 12:19 PM
  #22  
brucewolff's Avatar
brucewolff
Elder User
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 553
Likes: 2
From: MN - NW of Twin Cities
Originally Posted by kld1958
I'm looking for a show quality paint so thank you for the recomendations. Wouldn't tractor paint be about the same quality as the two you've listed?
No! Tractor paint is for..... well Tractors...LOL
 
Reply
Old Aug 8, 2007 | 01:50 PM
  #23  
Huntsman's Avatar
Huntsman
Posting Guru
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 2
From: Northwest Fl
Many say the BC/CC is easier for the beginner to shoot (safety aside) but I had better looking results with single stage urethane and will likely use that if I ever shoot another vehicle. The SS finish more closely resembles older finishes if your going original IMO.

PS: I'm glad I don't live in CA!
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
White76
Paint & Bodywork
2
Mar 5, 2014 05:11 PM
BIGskinny
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
24
Jun 2, 2011 03:09 PM
mvedepo
6.7L Power Stroke Diesel
2
Oct 4, 2010 09:39 PM
biz4two
Paint & Bodywork
39
Jan 25, 2004 11:51 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:49 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE