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Vehicle dates
I bought my truck new with 66 miles on it on Dec 31 (new years eve) 1999. All my paper work says its a 99 model. Yet the silver sticker on the driver side suicide door says " Date 10/98". I guess this is the build date for 99 models? Seem like a long time from the factory line to show room though.
Previously, when I have talked to folks via phone, email, etc, about how my truck is equipped some have asked for the year model and some want to know the build date. I would think that the build date would be a better indicator. Yes, no, maybe???
BTW the GVWR is 8800 and the GAWR is 4970. What is the accounting for the large difference.
Previously, when I have talked to folks via phone, email, etc, about how my truck is equipped some have asked for the year model and some want to know the build date. I would think that the build date would be a better indicator. Yes, no, maybe???
BTW the GVWR is 8800 and the GAWR is 4970. What is the accounting for the large difference.
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Yeap, keep that build date in mind when you order alot of things, brakes for one! You have whats referred to as an "early 99". You owned a 99, in the year of 1998, because ford didnt have a 98 diesel truck. It was a late production, which was called a 99. There are some other differences aswell. IE usually no air intake heater, smaller turbo, smaller injectors, smaller hpop, smaller intake plenums. If you end up needing parts, or have issues, do not hesitate to ask around here, as there are many well informed people in this forum in regards to your truck.
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Thanks. I plan to put a set of gauges on it PDQ and then maybe an AIS intake. I had planned to put in a controler after that but after your post I'm now thinking that maybe I should upgarde some of that "smaller" stuff (injectors and turbo maybe?) before getting a contoller since the tuning might be slightly different. What do yo guys think.
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Get some gauges, get a tuner. Run it. If you need more, upgrade then. If you get a dp tuner, and some other custom tuners, you can always get them re burned down the road, when you get injectors, turbo etc. For now, i would just get some gauges and a tuner. Thats just my .02
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my early 99 was built 3/98..it needed the tunes....I did the mods listed below right off the bat...i highly recommend DP tuner for you early 99....what a different...I just up graded my turbo to a stock 99.5-03 turbo about 3 weeks ago..pics in gallery...big different between the early 99 and the later years..wasn't much gain in power but did cool the EGT's..the biggest gain will be a 99.5-03 HPOP all this can be done on the same tunes ...when I get ready ill get a bigger turbo and bigger injectors and then have my DP tuner re burned...
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Originally Posted by dcara
I bought my truck new with 66 miles on it on Dec 31 (new years eve) 1999. All my paper work says its a 99 model. Yet the silver sticker on the driver side suicide door says " Date 10/98". BTW the GVWR is 8800 and the GAWR is 4970. What is the accounting for the large difference.
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Thanks Ernest for the weight info. I'll talk to a local dealership. I still have 2 questions. Does the GVWR include the max bed loading/tounge weight? And does the GAWR NOT include tire weights.
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Originally Posted by dcara
Thanks Ernest for the weight info. I'll talk to a local dealership. I still have 2 questions. Does the GVWR include the max bed loading/tounge weight? And does the GAWR NOT include tire weights.
Others might disagree, but my interpretation for GVWR is that it doesn't include hitch weight, but the total load on the rear axel (or any axel) can't exceed its GAWR. Now let me qualify that, whatever you're towing has to have good enough brakes to stop its own weight. The GCWR is the total weight of both truck axels and all the trailer axels.
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I'm not sure I follow all of that. If I understood your post, the GVWR does not include hitch weight but the GAWR must.
"the total load on the rear axel (or any axel) can't exceed its GAWR"
It would seem then that the GAWR would be higher than the GVWR but even with a corrected sticker the GVWR is still greater than the GAWR.
"the total load on the rear axel (or any axel) can't exceed its GAWR"
It would seem then that the GAWR would be higher than the GVWR but even with a corrected sticker the GVWR is still greater than the GAWR.
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gawr is not what it weighs on the scale! its the total weigh you can put safely on and axle, cause my front gawr is 5200lbs and my cat scale weigh is 4560 lbs,and my rear gawr is 5580 lbs and on cat scale its 3060lbs. build date 06/98
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Can you tell what you mean by "the biggest gain will be a 99.5-03 HPOP" ? Is HPOP a high pressure oil pump? Is this a tranny pump then.
Can you tell what you mean by "the biggest gain will be a 99.5-03 HPOP" ? Is HPOP a high pressure oil pump? Is this a tranny pump then.
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Originally Posted by dcara
I'm not sure I follow all of that. If I understood your post, the GVWR does not include hitch weight but the GAWR must.
"the total load on the rear axel (or any axel) can't exceed its GAWR"
It would seem then that the GAWR would be higher than the GVWR but even with a corrected sticker the GVWR is still greater than the GAWR.
"the total load on the rear axel (or any axel) can't exceed its GAWR"
It would seem then that the GAWR would be higher than the GVWR but even with a corrected sticker the GVWR is still greater than the GAWR.
Also, GAWR is only at each axle. It should not be more then what the vehicle is rated for (GVWR)]
And all these figures are just random numbers btw, for the example.
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OK. I see now that on my sticker there is an entry for front GAWR and one for rear GAWR. Each is 4970 (which should be something different according to Eugene) . But there is only one entry of GVWR at 8800lbs. Soooo....given that my F250 is a 3/4 ton truck then it should be able to carry 1500lbs cargo. So the Total GAWR should be GVWR + 1500lbs = 8800lbs + 1500lbs = 10300lbs total GAWR (i.e Rear GAWR plus front GAWR). Is that correct?
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I believe your not to exceed the GVWR, which is 8800 on mine. empty it weight about 7600, so its not quite 1500 pounds to carry to GVWR. However if you work with the DMV you can get them registered higher. Weight is such a load of crap, sometimes its whats on the door, sometimes its how much your registration costs a year. You should really rear into local laws, or talk to the dmv if your that concerned about it.
My 2002, f250 ecsb, has a front gawr of 4800, and a rear of 6084, so in theory if i loaded the axles to capacity, i would be at 10884. But the sticker on the door states 8800 gvwr. So if you pay more money to the state every year, you can get the GVWR raised. Thats in pennsylvania though. The main reason i think that ford set them to 8800 was to keep the registration to a class two, which is like 86 a year hear. IIRC
My 2002, f250 ecsb, has a front gawr of 4800, and a rear of 6084, so in theory if i loaded the axles to capacity, i would be at 10884. But the sticker on the door states 8800 gvwr. So if you pay more money to the state every year, you can get the GVWR raised. Thats in pennsylvania though. The main reason i think that ford set them to 8800 was to keep the registration to a class two, which is like 86 a year hear. IIRC