Good evening all,

I have a small problem with my 05 f250, cc,sb 6.0psd. From reading the posts, I believed I might have a small stiction problem, and planned on taking it to the dealer for it next week for evaluation. However, during the past two days I seemed to have developed a new problem.

After the truck sat for 16 hours or so I went to start it up and it sputtered immediately after the engine seemed to catch and died out. It started fine with the second try and I didn't think anything more about it.

After the truck came up to operating temp (an hour later - city driving) it dropped to idle speed and was unaffected by the pedal. I would lower the pedal and nothing would happen. I coasted to the side of the road and let the truck idle for a minute. It sputtered and died out. It took 5 tries to get it started again and it seemd to be a little slluggish after that.

The following day it wouldn't start right up and cut out again. The rpms dropped to idle speed and stayed there for about 4 minutes. After 4 minutes it slowly came back up to the about 700 rpms, at which time I drove it home without further incident.

I have about 95k on the truck and bought it used. I guess my questions would be ...

How do I know if I filled up with bad fuel?

I seem to hear the turbo whistle more prominently than before...should I have that checked as well?

I am planning on dropping the truck off at Lindsay Ford in Maryland, off Viers Mill Road this Tuesday and leaving it for a couple of days. Any suggestions would be helpfull

This is my first pickup and diesel. I bought it used with high mileage becuse it was what I could afford. Although I miss my rovers, I have to admit I'm getting pretty attached and fond of this truck. I have a great amount of respect for the knowlege base here and looking forward to any suggestions.

Thanks,

Mac

 

How long has it been since the fuel filters have been replaced? My truck exhibited like issues about a year ago and replacing the fuel filters did the trick. My Owners Guide states every 15k miles for replacing the fuel filters. They are not cheap but I would do them first before you do the dealer thing. Otherwise I would be going straight to the dealer or the shop of choice.

Here is the procedure from the Tech Folder sticky: http://home.austin.rr.com/sbv1/Procedures/fuel%20filter%20change.htm

 

05ccsb,

Sounds like a HPOP leak. Take it into the dealer and let them diagnose it, it will only get worse.

 

Where did you fill up? I try to stick with stations that I know have a high turnover of fuel...like truck stops.

I think kemerick is on the right track though.

Let us know how it turns out!

Joe

 

Thanks all for the help. I bought the truck in Sept 06 with 79k on the odometer. I was unsure of the history of the truck and the dealer wasn't much help, so I had all the fluids / coolant and filters replaced...even had the trans flushed and replaced the fluids there.

I've been fueling in the same place for a while. Its right on Conn. Ave NW Washington DC and it carries 40 cetaine. I then add the ford motorcraft cetaine boost that I pick up from the dealer in Maryland. I took the truck out this morning and it ran fine. I canceled a trip with the family because I don't want to take a chance being stranded on the Jersey Turnpike. Whats a HPOP? I'll have to do a search...lol

Thanks again

Mac

 

Kemerick,

It suddenly hit me that I've put about 15k on the truck since I've bought it. I will definately have the filters replaced since they are suspect with the 15k on them. I should try to figure out a maintenance schedule to this truck.

As for the leak at the HPOP, would I be able to find leaking fluid if I crawled under the truck to look? More for the learning experience than anything else.

Also, I forgot to mention that the truck is still under the warranty for the engine, although I don't trust the dealer to be completely forthright with a problem that may be developing. Does anyone have a dealer they could reccomend near Washington DC? At least till the truck is out of warranty...

 

The HPOP is the high pressure oil pump that supplies the high pressure oil to fire the injectors. It could leak internally and you wouldn't know it. Change your fuel filters first--15K is the max I would run on them. Check the tech folder for the International Harvester crossover part number and get them for about $35 compared to about 80 from the ford Dealer. You can get will fit's but if they don't have the white aquabloc membrand on the outside of the bigger filter (they come as a set of 2) then they will only cause you problems later. If that doesn't fix your problem then I suspect HPOP also.

 

Running diesels, I guess it is the dirtier fuel we injest which causes our filters to not last long. I have replaced them before and seen a noticable difference as though a bunch of horsepower was freed up. Good luck and hopefully its only the filters...

Just another option, I get my filters (fuel, oil, and air) here: www.oilguard.com

 

Thanks all,


I went out a little while ago and tried to start the truck up. It would crank but not start. I wanted to move it off the street into the driveway. I took the opportunity to crawl under the truck to take a look. I noticed what appeared to be oil slightly seeping around the rim of the oil pan in front of (I think) the bell housing part of the transmission. Would the HPOP leave its mark here?
What are the signs of a HPOP going bad? How could I tell the difference between the HPOP or the turbo going bad. I called the dealer near me to find out the cost of the parts and was told that the turbo goes for about 1900 and the HPOP goes for about 1000. This doesn't include labor.

...Shades of owning an old range rover....lol

Mac

I will replace the filters first and see if the problem is solved.

 

Your symptoms definitely sound like a HPOP problem. The HPOP is internal and will not show any external signs of leaking. The system must be pressure tested to find the leak. You engine is still covered by the 5yr/100K warranty, so all you will have to pay is the $100 deductible.

Good luck

 

Thanks again everyone. I will take it in this week and have everything addressed by Lindsay Ford.

Its good to have a resource like this to help out. I don't feel as if I'm at the mercy of the dealer with the information and help I get here. I really appreciate it. Thanks

 

I dropped my truck off at the dealer this morning. I asked them to check the turbo, HPOP, possible stiction problems, and fuel filters.

 

Thats the beauty of this site. Even new guys walk away with more info.

I just dropped my truck off at the dealership and it's amazing the difference in the attitude of the service writer once it becomes clear that we're interested and knowledgable in whats being documented during the writeup.

Joe

 

I had a similar (sputtering, but never died) problem not too long ago. Turned out to be a few injectors. They were replaced under the 100K warranty, only cost me $100.

Good luck!

 

I spoke with the dealer this afternoon and was told that the #4 injector had to be replaced. The HPOP and turbo are alright but they're still checking it out. I should be able to pick it up Friday afternoon. Since I bought the truck I change the oil about every 3k miles, even though the manual says 5k for severe duty. I don't know how the vehicle was maintained before I got it and I was hoping that changing early would help to clean it out a bit. I'm looking forward to getting the truck back. I wonder if they would automaticly reflash the pcm.