Calling all transmission gurus!
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From: Davis & Newcastle, CA
Well my torque converter is not painted so I can't tell if it's getting that hot. But the tranny shop did tell me that when the TC gets too hot it will show a blue ring around the outside that you can see through the inspection hole. My TC has not shown this blue ring so I don't think it's getting TOO hot. You might be onto something with the junkyard TC swap. Thanks for the advice Dean, I really appreciate it.
If anyone else has any ideas please speak up. I'm at a total loss here.
I really appreciate all the help you guys, this forum is amazing.
If anyone else has any ideas please speak up. I'm at a total loss here.
I really appreciate all the help you guys, this forum is amazing.
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From: Davis & Newcastle, CA
Well I went to the autoparts store to get a new gasket for the t-case/transmission and they didn't have it, and talked me into using RTV. Now that I'm back home I'm thinking it might be kind of tough to use RTV on that specific seal. Do ya'll think it'd be okay to use RTV there?
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Only advice I'd give would be to not use a JY TC, you don't know what is in them (tranny fragments/etc) and you can't really flush them well, without takng them apart, which usually is not a home DIY project.
You could get lucky and get a nice clean one that the tranny was well cared for etc, but I wouldn't take the chance...just MHO
You could get lucky and get a nice clean one that the tranny was well cared for etc, but I wouldn't take the chance...just MHO
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Nope. You have to go to the Ford dealer to get that gasket. I thought I mentioned that earlier, but maybe I forgot. Sorry I should have reminded you on the phone. Use the gasket Ford gives you, but also use some Ultra Blue RTV. Don't use the whole tube on it of course, but spread a thin layer with your finger to seal any imperfections in the gasket.
I'm still looking for the dam* CD I bought a while back which gave an entire breakdown on the E4OD and I can't find it anywhere. Start a new thread in this forum and ask about any play in the transmissions endshaft, and if a bearing in the back is known for failure.
I'm still looking for the dam* CD I bought a while back which gave an entire breakdown on the E4OD and I can't find it anywhere. Start a new thread in this forum and ask about any play in the transmissions endshaft, and if a bearing in the back is known for failure.
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Cool deal, thanks Chad. And disregard my message that I left you, I got the snap ring back on.
Speaking of which, the transfer case is all back together. I'm gonna get my hands on one of those gaskets and then I'll bolt her back up.
Good advice on the JY TC Mike, I hadn't thought about that.
Speaking of which, the transfer case is all back together. I'm gonna get my hands on one of those gaskets and then I'll bolt her back up.
Good advice on the JY TC Mike, I hadn't thought about that.
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Well I did notice that the tailshaft of my transmission was moving around a little bit when I put the truck in drive, so I'm wondering if I have a bearing that is going bad on that tailshaft. I started another thread about that issue if you have any comments about it.
My plan right now is to bolt the t-case back up, change the ATF in the tranny, and hope for the best.
My plan right now is to bolt the t-case back up, change the ATF in the tranny, and hope for the best.
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Chris,
I have a question.: You have described the sound like a strong wooosh or wind under the truck. Have you thought about the fan clutch faliling and engaging unexpectedly? That can make such a sound, and drive you bonkers looking for it. Such a thing happened on one of my Dads' cars, he was sure something was badly broken, but it was just the fan clutch had frozen in the applied mode, very loud got him excited. I replaced the clutch and viola noise gone. You mentioned it only happens when the truck is well warmed up, maybe even hot. If it engages and stays engaged you might have found the problem.
When I was a Field Service Manager with Mercedes Benz, this would happen in the heat of Summer sometimes. My territory was Arizona, Las Vegas and Palm Springs, some times it get hot there.
Frank
I have a question.: You have described the sound like a strong wooosh or wind under the truck. Have you thought about the fan clutch faliling and engaging unexpectedly? That can make such a sound, and drive you bonkers looking for it. Such a thing happened on one of my Dads' cars, he was sure something was badly broken, but it was just the fan clutch had frozen in the applied mode, very loud got him excited. I replaced the clutch and viola noise gone. You mentioned it only happens when the truck is well warmed up, maybe even hot. If it engages and stays engaged you might have found the problem.
When I was a Field Service Manager with Mercedes Benz, this would happen in the heat of Summer sometimes. My territory was Arizona, Las Vegas and Palm Springs, some times it get hot there.
Frank
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Very interesting that you bring that up Frank because the guy at the transmission shop also said he thought that could be my problem. I believe he said he looked at the fan clutch and it seemed okay, but he didn't sound very convincing and he couldn't have really checked that much. I was thinking about eventually switching to an electric fan, maybe I'll do that mod sooner than later and see if it kills two birds with one stone.
On a sort-of related subject: I got the truck all back together and running again, and without any "bonus" parts
I'm sure it is still making the noise although it didn't make it when I drove down the block and back (but again it doesn't really come until the truck is hot). So tomorrow I'm going to drop the pan and drain the torque converter and replace all the ATF. Again, just shooting in the dark because I'm at a TOTAL loss. Thanks for your input guys, keep it comin!
On a sort-of related subject: I got the truck all back together and running again, and without any "bonus" parts
I'm sure it is still making the noise although it didn't make it when I drove down the block and back (but again it doesn't really come until the truck is hot). So tomorrow I'm going to drop the pan and drain the torque converter and replace all the ATF. Again, just shooting in the dark because I'm at a TOTAL loss. Thanks for your input guys, keep it comin!
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I wouldn't really think it was the fan clutch because you say you can feel it through the floor boards. I've felt a fan clutch engage and disengage before, and while it's noticeable, it's not *that* noticeable.
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Then what's the purpose of the clutch. I don't know if you misunderstood me, but when I said my fan spins 24/7, I meant it spins at full speed 24/7. I don't know if you were thinking like slowly spinning like when the clutch is disengaged.
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Originally Posted by Dean88
Then what's the purpose of the clutch. I don't know if you misunderstood me, but when I said my fan spins 24/7, I meant it spins at full speed 24/7. I don't know if you were thinking like slowly spinning like when the clutch is disengaged.
With a fluid clutch ( a silicone fluid ) the fluid circulates when the engine is running, and a bi-metal spring activates a restriction which when closed will lock up the fan and shaft for max air transfer.
Some can be tested by listening when the engine is started the fan is locked up until 3000 rpm and you can hear it release and begin to coast. Thereafter it is goverend by the valve as explained above.
My last HD Ford was a 90 with 460 and I do not know what type of fan controls are on the truck in question. Perhaps someone will enlighten me.
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From: Sweetwater Texas
Well, I just went outside and looked at my truck, and there is no clutch atall. The fat is bolted right on to the pully. I guess just another freak thing about my truck, like the fact I have a 300/460 intake instead of the 302/351 pig snout.