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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 03:30 PM
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We're heading back to mainframes, but that is a much longer discussion.
Quite the opposite in fact. Companies are buying smaller and faster systems. Blade servers are all the rage now, and have been for years. Why? One word - scalability. Mainframes simply don't scale very well, and frankly, they're archaic. They're also ungodly expensive to purchase, set up, and maintain.

I've seen many, many mainframe migration projects - guess which way they were migrating?

How many mainframes do you think Google or Yahoo runs? I've *seen* their datacenters. They are all about thousands of small, redundant systems.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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And it is a foolish argument to mention virus infections - if you were writing a virus program you would go after the most popular OS, and the one with the least defenses. It is sort of like a terrorist - they don't go after the special forces hidden aboard a well defended military base, but instead old ladies and children in a public park. Of course viruses are programed for Windows!
By "most popular OS" do you mean "most popular desktop OS"? At this point, I would be willing to bet there are more servers in the world running Linux or another variant of Unix (BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, etc.) than there are running Windows. How come those servers aren't brought down regularly by infection? One word again - security. Linux and Unix were designed from the ground up to be a multi-user, networked operating system. Windows wasn't - it was all an afterthought, and it shows in Windows' horrid security model.

But Linux? The Linux I know does not have the capabilities you mention. Either I have the name wrong (old age does make you forgetful) or things sure have changed since I retired.
One of the latter.

Do the FTE servers run Linux?
They must, nearly by definition. If the servers were re-installed with Windows today, and this website were somehow ported to run on Windows, the entire site would fall right on its face. It would take many, many more servers to run this site on Windows than it does today on Linux.

Fair statement, Ken?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 03:43 PM
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64bit has it's place but not with Bill and the toys

Originally Posted by Skandocious
We use Linux based systems in my computer science department at school and I will admit that they are better for programming, but I get so frustrated for the lack of commercial programs available for Linux users. And the fact that most of the programs for Linux are free, means that support is minimal and the programs can be ridden with many bugs. This has been my experience using Fedora at school, that programs crash OFTEN.

As for 64bit Vista: I could be wrong here but I thought they already released 64bit Vista. I had a long talk about 64bit systems with my coworker the other day (very knowledgeable guy with computer systems) and his impressions from a 64bit system is that it is completely USELESS. Yeah it is supposed to run faster and it is rated to handle more calculations than a 32bit processor, but generally programs do not take advantage of the 64bit capability, not to mention that program support for 64bit systems is next to none... I think if you build a good strong 32bit system you have NOTHING to worry about.

I just looked on newegg and found that YES, 64bit Vista DOES exist:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215

I would advise against 64bit systems, but that is just my professional/unprofessional opinion
We run about 6,000 Linux Redhat AMD and Intel system at the bank I work for. We move millions of dollars a day and have NEVER had a Redhat system crash from the OS being an issue. You have to stay with what works and do a lot of lab testing. I can't speak to MS OS as we don't use it any more.
Why would I when I have Mac & Redhat.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Look in any ISP an you will not find a Windows machine unless they use it to play games on.........................<grin>
 
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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No argument from me - The little I remember about MS server is all negative.

However, how many consumers have servers running in their den? Remember, this discussion is about the end users, not how a simple file server works.

This is how I remember an engineering department working - software engineers and programmers despising anything to do with Microsoft, while the end-users were demanding Windows based applications.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Skandocious
I have heard rumors about the hacked Mac OS for running on non-mac machines
During the prerelease testing of Mac OS a software shim was used to emulate a hardware piece that identified it as a Mac platform. Some clever fellow figured out how to replace the shim. This is not available (not possible?) in the production release.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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Mac OSX on a pc.

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During the prerelease testing of Mac OS a software shim was used to emulate a hardware piece that identified it as a Mac platform. Some clever fellow figured out how to replace the shim. This is not available (not possible?) in the production release.
Not true there is a way I have it running on my HP laptop Quad Booted. Ihave Mac OSX, Windows Vista, Windows Xp and Ubuntu all on one laptop. I received the copy of OSX from a friend that was based to run on the intel Chipset I have. It is quite nice....It at least holds me over until I can afford a new Powerbook!
 
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 09:13 AM
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Remember, this discussion is about the end users, not how a simple file server works.
I will agree MS has more PC's in the home than nay other but there is a lot of use out there that are sick of Bill and Steve. Linux has come a long way and with the new version UBUNTU there is a lot of people using it. You also have to remember the US is way behind when it comes to home users. Linux and MAC has been in the homes of millions for years.

If we could get the US users off MS the world would be a better place. And here is why: Developers write software for the majority just like a parts store stock for the majority.

Linux is coming up fast as Redhat buys company after company. Stop buying MS and help the Linux companies get closer to a major take over.

Or you can keep buying bigger and bigger machines because you are satisfied with crappy softwear that doesn't write new code just modifies it leaving the old crap code there. Big bigger and bigger harddrives. Patching your PC every week because another 12 year old kid just hacked MS again! Buying more and more software to protect an OS that can't protect itself. I have NEVER had a virus and NEVER had virus software on my pc.

I'm finished complaining about PC's. I have worked in IT since I joined the Army in 1977 and Billy and Steve where still hippy dreamers.............

Find me one auto maker that has a MS operating system in their car or truck.
How would you like that one. Take your car in every week to get the OS patched. Or you drive down the road and the car blue screens. It's not good for anything but a home user? Wow, that is a harsh statment to take isn't it.

All important systems are UNIX / Linux based, Cisco routers are all Linux based, all big firewalls, Proxy servers, Webservers and best of all "This Website" and I could go on for days about what is Linux based.....................I'm out of here to go mudding and forget how they take advantage of home users!

C' ya on the power lines!
 
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 09:14 AM
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Mac on Laptop

I have MAC OS on a laptop as well..................
 

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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 09:24 AM
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Yes, and worth every penny! We ran an engineering server with it for over a year, but that was 10 years ago. Come on, it is like any other DOS software - you might as well go back to Microsoft DOS 7.0 - or whatever IBM was selling before Microsoft came out with a Windows based system.

I like the Ford Model Ts - they are neat to look at and fun to drive - but for a daily driver I would chose any car built today over a new Model T.

Linux is great for a beginning programmer or a hardware guy who wants to get a feel for how a system works - but that is all it is, a learning tool for someone not very advanced!

It is like not letting school kids use electronic calculators until the show they can add and subtract for themselves!
I'd say you never heard of Google, I have seen their site and they have one of the largest Linux installs in the world. "Like DOS" Have you ever heard of Oracle? The largest Database install in the world is Home Land Security and yes my friend it runs on Redhat Linux........ Wake up and go see the real world today. Even the server you are reading from is most likey Linux or Unix based as it is PHP based system, just my guess......no facts on that last one!
 
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