I agree about ANA as, Yes they were the first, they did not order the most or they are not Boeings best customer.

Common Admin, when you see an awsome ride you also want to touch it...Touch my plane.....

Oh, the 777 wing flex test went to 154% until it broke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uo0C01Fwb8

After seeing the 777 wing flex it will be very interesting to see the 787 going to failure.

I am surprised that they did not do what they have done in the past and put the picture of the tails on the fuselage.

I have a feeling that there will be a lot of people going back to school as this is the wave of the future. It is so much lighter than metal skin and is stronger.

 

Very nice Admin.

I have an excellent mental image of John Leahy with his foot in his mouth right about now. The rollout absolutely blew away anything seen before by any manufacturer, and the sales record is impressive, to say the least.

I have a friend (former flight instructor of mine) who's father works for Boeing. He's been in the simulator they're training the Boeing pilots on and said it felt "much like a 757." The 757 makes me think of a V-10 F-250...enough power to get the job done fully loaded, and an absolute hoot when lightened up.

Put the picture of the tails of what? The purchasing airlines? They did.

 

oppsie, I did not see that...I was wondering as they have been doing it from the 707 on.

Nothing beats the 707 roll at the demo flight.

 

No, nothing will ever beat that. I remember reading something a while back from a Boeing test pilot that said every commercial airliner they have made save for the 747 has been over on it's back at some point. Test pilots, eh?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_khhzuFlE

 

I thought that they "could" do it with a 747, but they needed a lot of extra room.

Hey, you got to "test" the aircraft. I bet that would be a hoot in the 787.

 

A little of a side track did you see on Anet where people are talking about the 380 replacing the 747...

There are some really serious people that think that all 747 will be replaced by the 380 without looking at what the 748 can do.




Has FedEX, UPS or DHL ordered any of the Dreamlifters?

 

No. The Dreamlifter as far as I know is a pure Boeing design that will be used by no one else (though I imagine for the right amount of $$ you could "borrow" the extra one if you needed the capacity). It holds around the same amount of weight and volume as the An-124, so I imagine they'd just order that since a) it's cheap and b) it's easy to find.

I know the 748i isn't selling all that hot, which kinda is sad really, it looks to be a good airplane. I think that too many companies are looking and saying "well...the A380 is new, so it must be better." I think the A-380 has it's market (extremely high density short and medium range, charter), but I think the fact that Boeing is going in late with the new engines and technology for the 748i (is it to be carbon fibre or old school aluminum?), a lot of fuel gains could be saved, and routes that cannot run an A-380 will be able to support the 748i. Not to mention R&D cost is much lower on the 748i, so I'm sure Boeing would be able to price them quite competitively.

I also find the 748i to be much more asthetically pleasing, but that's just me.

 

How much does one of them cost?

 

Boeing re-did their "Commercial Airplanes" site...look what picture they're using now:


One what? We've been over like 4 or 5 planes in this thread.

The 787-8 is to cost approximately $146-200 million at list prices (depending on model).
The 747-400 is around $228-260 million at list prices.
The 747-8i will be between $285.5-300 million at list prices.
The A380 is between $296-316 million at list prices.

Remember of course, that no airline realistically pays list prices. Launch customers and loyal company customers with money to weild and large orders to be placed (i.e. American, Continental, Delta, Southwest) may pay half of the list price.

These prices, other than the 787, all look slightly out of date and should be increased by 6% as the whole industry raised prices this year to compensate for raw material price increases.

 

The 747i is being designed with the new technology of the 787, so it will have composites and the flex wing. They have estimated that it will be 20% more efficient than the 744 and the 380. I think you hit the nail on the head when you stated that they are viewing the 747i as “old school” technology. Once they get the test bed up and they prove the benefits, I think a lot of the buyers of the 380 will also order the 747i. They are said to use the T-1000 or the GE engines for the 787.

There are some interesting comments about DL on Anet. I guess ILFC CEO is going to Atlanta to talk to DL about leasing their 787’s until they can get their own slots.

I think the 380 will be a huge hit in India, China, and Japan where they need the ultra capacity. I cannot believe a 1,000 passengers plane and the headaches of getting the people on and off of the beast. The only question will be infrastructure.

 

I just dread the first time an A-380 crashes. I think we can agree that it will happen eventually, it's just a matter of when, and how many people are killed.

I wouldn't blame Delta for leasing short term. ILFC has good slots on the production run, and I doubt Delta, or anyone else for that matter at this point wants to wait 'til 2013-2014 to get new airplanes.

 

Yeah, I agree and that is why I laughed at their evac test. What happens with 1,000 people on board and 1/2 the doors out of commision.

I am starting to wonder what AA/CO will do? I do not know how quickly UA will come forward as it seems they are still in money problems.

Did you see that WN is cutting some routes from PHX and raised their fairs. I am glad I already bought the X-mas tickets to the happy place.

Here is the article from the AZ Republic
http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...st0711-ON.html

 

Interesting stuff.

At least they decided against cutting their growth as was rumored. Ya'll are only losing seven daily departures, though the flat out cutting of the CLE service is kind of sad. On the otherhand, the addition of the MHT service could do good for PHX and WN.

CO's got orders...but not many, so I guess they could lease more, though I believe if they order more Boeing may be willing to deliver them earlier rather then giving them the first batch in '09 and the rest six years later.

On a side note, I was cleaning everything out today, getting ready for college, and found an encyclopedia I was given by my grandparents. In it, I found several pictures of a Douglas airliner seating twelve in very luxurious arrangements and an AA plane with the sleeper berths. The revolutionary service was that you could cross the Pacific on Pan Am's Clippers in THREE DAYS! And amazingly enough, you could round the world in a little over three weeks. What a stark contrast to the 12 hour flights that get you across the Pacific and going round the world in less than three days.

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You see this?

 

WN is one of the most proactive airlines out there. The only thing I hate is the ABC cattle call. I would use them all of the time, but it is hard to check in when you are on vacation and I hate having C boarding with families.

If you fly from PHX to the LA area WN is the only way to go as they have a flight or two every hour. Here is their schedule to SNA
8:30am, 9:15am, 11:35am, 1:30pm, 3:15pm, 5:20pm, 7:25pm and 9:25pm

To LAX
7:15am, 9:10am, 10:40am, 12:05pm, 1:15pm, 2:40pm, 3:40pm, 4:10pm, 4:45pm, 5:35pm
7:15pm, 8:55pm
They had an add campaign a while back that they had two to three flights every hour to LAX from 6:00am to 10:00am and 3:00pm to 7:00pm

If you remember, flying in the 1930’s was a first class affair and only people that were well off or rich could afford to fly. This stayed true until the middle to late 1970’s when flying became more affordable. If you flew on a Ford Tri-Motor you were flying in first class all of the time.

 

Good times, huh?

You got that many on WN? Wow. I agree on the cattle call boarding. Of course, with my common name, I cannot get my tickets on them online ahead of schedule, so I end up in B or C on my flight out. I'm sorry, I love them to death, but I'm steering clear until they fix that.

This is what we got, DAL-HOU:
6:24, 6:45, 7:08, 7:42, 8:13, 8:39, 9:08, 9:36, 10:12, 11:09, 12:00, 12:52, 12:56, 13:20, 14:03, 14:06, 14:30, 15:00, 15:30, 16:00, 16:43, 17:20, 18:06, 20:34, 20:45, 20:55, 21:00, 21:02, 21:11, 21:19

That's on the weekdays. 30 trips EACH WAY every day. Those are wheels up times though, not gate dep times, so they're kinda weird. Sorry 'bout that. That's all I got.

There are five more flights each way on the weekends. As you can see, the 9PM flights are quite popular, with 7 departing in about 45 minutes. And I've been on these weekday flights, they tend to be full. WN flights at DAL seem to be exploding with passengers when they get here.