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thats what i was wondering, after i posted last night i got to looking at those heads again and started to think they were gonna be a little small when i picked those it was before i found the 427 kit. what does every one recomend the smallest i go is?? im only lookin to spin about 62-63 hundered rpms. i was also thinking about the spyder efi intake was wondering if anyone has used this and how did it work??
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i think thats the first accidental mistake ive made in this quest that never seems to end after reading the website i thought it wasnt even enough flow for the 427 . after months of planning i think i might be able to finally start building. well after i find a truck and a test engine to build my turbo setup on so i dont blow the 10k engine im building for it. hopefully the turbo setup wont take to long to build and get all the kinks worked out and i might have this done by summer...lol
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What do the 185's have? 2.02 & 1.60 valves ? The 427 I had back in the 80's had CJ/Low riser heads and it was a stump puller when I stroked it to 454. Valves were 2.09/1.66 in those heads. Like I said, I thought maybe you were aiming for "all out" with it. I think you're dead on with smaller heads, I don't buy into the all or nothing approach anyway. I'd rather have a torquier motor on the bottom than one that makes all it's power in the upper rpms.
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yes they do have the 2.02 intake and 1.6 exhaust. with this combo i have right now i have it ball parked at around 450 without the turbos and a 9:1 compression. my reason for not going all out is this isnt a race truck more of a sleeper as its gettin stuffed in a ranger. the fun part is trying to get all that power to stick without burning up tires. i wanted to go with a 5.0 but i dont think it will hold that power for long so i have to sacrifice room for the turbos. but the power i gain just from the extra cubes allows me to run lower boost unless the full 15 psi is needed. thus reducing the chance of destroying parts from street use.
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Unless you're prepared to do something different with the rear suspension, anything you put in it will fry the tires. I've had a V8 in my 89 Ranger for 6 years now and all, including the first motor (88 Crown Vic 5.0) have been able to light em up off the line (2 second 60' times for all) I've had two other 5.0 builds, a 331 (Canfield heads & a 3x2 induction) and the current Explorer equivalent 5.0 in it, in that time. I've long since moved the battery to the right rear of the bed, plus installed a 35 gallon fuel tank back there too, and I can still light up the 275's on it with 3.73's and trac-loc. Good luck with your build.
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thanks bad, im going to run a slightly narrowed rear most likely with as wide a tire i can with out too much frame work. ive thought about a 4 link but it stands out to much. even thought about running leafs inside the frame by just boxing and running the spring mounts on the oposite side. running ladder bars over the top instead of the bottom. and as much cage as i can stuff inside with out makeing it look too obviouse.
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Another thing that'll be a challenge is cooling it, unless you've got a 98-up with the Explorer sized radiator. I've got a Griffin 15.5 x 27.5 radiator tucked inside the core support in mine and it's OK as long as you don't try any towing. It's OK with light short haul stuff but that's it. I drove it 25 miles with my car trailer loaded with a 67 Cub Cadet lawn tractor and it reached 250* by the time I got home. I also had to keep close watch on the 331 in summertime, winter it was fine. I should have done some surgery to the lower support to allow a taller radiator long ago.
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good heads up i never thougth of that. i knew a ranger radiator wasnt gonna cut it but didnt think it was that bad. this just makes me want to remove the entire fron end and only reuse the sheetmetal even more. maybe a tilt front end. when you installed yours did you use a kit or did you just piece it together??
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Pieced it together. 85-93 Mustang V8 convertable mounts, Oil filter has to be relocated and you'll need a block adapter that has the outlets parallel to the block. TD Products sells these as does Ford racing. Off the shelf headers aren't going to be easy on a 351 block. 302's are a different story, there are about 5-6 sets that fit. For more info go to the Ranger Power Sports website and do your research in the V8 forums.
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thanks bad headers arnt to much of a concern i have to build custom ones for my turbo setup anyways. was wondering if anyone knew if they made a 4x2 intake for 351s ive been playing with this idea for a duel throttle body setup just for something a little different but i cant seem to find an intake thats gonna work.
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Originally Posted by baddad457
I'd think you'd want to go to a bigger head with that.
I'm assuming this is for a ***** to the wall top end rig? Or would you prefer semi-truck pulling power?
If it's the latter, the 185's would suffice.
Good luck...would like to see how this turbo EFI 351w stroker setup turns out!
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Originally Posted by littleme13
thanks bad headers arnt to much of a concern i have to build custom ones for my turbo setup anyways. was wondering if anyone knew if they made a 4x2 intake for 351s ive been playing with this idea for a duel throttle body setup just for something a little different but i cant seem to find an intake thats gonna work.
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this isnt an all out race motor but it is very different. when its all said and done it will be a 351 stroked to 427 with quad turbos running 2 sets sequentially. and all that wrapped up nice and neat in a lil 2 wheel drive ranger. this winter ill be putting a junk yard 351 in the ranger im buying off a friend its a 93 or 94 to get everything in the ranger ready for the 427. once everything is in and in place i will mock up the turbo setup on the junk yard motor and tune the efi to the 351 once it all runs smooth on really low boost just so i know my setup works ill swap the 427 in and retune the efi for the 427. my biggest concern with my setup is the turbo setup is very tricky but its gonna look sweet when i open the hood and you see 4 turbos staring back at you. the reason for wanting a 2x4 intake is i was toying with the idea of running 2 throttle bodies and have one coming off each intake opening. just not sure if its a good idea or not but im def not throwing it out yet.
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well ive hit another snag. ive been trying to decide if the ford edis is a good idea. after drawing up some ideas for the turbo setup ive noticed that the distibutor would be a hinderance. after many hours searching ive came up with the idea of using the edis. has anyone had any experiances with this and is there really any negatives??? all the parts for it can be found pretty cheap. its a simple system that even i can understand for the most part and thats sayin a lot cuz computers drive me crazy. any info would help
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