Why won't Ford use MDS ??
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Why won't Ford use MDS ??
Don't give me wrong I love my v-10 but when will Ford get a clue ? Some people are scratching their heads wondering why Ford is doing bad. Quality is an issue but so is fuel economy. When just about every Chevy is flex fuel and has displacement on demand how do they expect to sell vehicles. I have been looking at new trucks because I will be in the market for one in a year or two. I hate to say it but if I had to buy now it would be Chevy. I could burn E-85 and have " active fuel management ". I think Ford has two vehicles that are flex fuel .. the f-150 and a car. Just sad to see them fall so far behind. Seams like all they are worried about are limited edition Shelby mustangs that most people can't afford. I think they are finding out that a couple thousand Shelby GT's won't pay the bills.
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I always thought that instead of MDS, they should just have another gear on the transmission, so you'd go down the road at about 750rpm when not under load. There's probably something like oil film thickness or bearing velocity that prevents this though.
I also think an optional high compression high performance E85 engine for the Mustang would sell, at least in some areas.
Just my thoughts.
I also think an optional high compression high performance E85 engine for the Mustang would sell, at least in some areas.
Just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by BOSSv10
Sorry I ment to type in their current lineup. I just looked it up and they show the crown vic, F-150 and Lincoln town car. Not much there for new vehicle buyers.
Help me out here......I honestly don't know. (too lazy to look it up)
Does GM have the MDS and FF in the HD segment??? (vs our V10's)
Does the MDS HONESTLY add economy??? (based on the 1/2 ton comparos I've been reading it does not)
And I respectfully disagree about the Shelby.....Ford needs Halo vehicles to bolster an incredibly weak performance image.
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The MDS only appears to improve EPA ratings and does nothing in the real world. The various tests of GM's pickups shows a hugh difference between the EPA ratings and real life mileage. My nephew works at a larger GM dealership and is driving a new Silverado with the MDS and he said the fuel mileage is not improved and it is obvious when the cylinders activate and deactivate.
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GM's "active fuel management" (AFM) is a joke. You can ask anyone who isn't wearing their bowtie too tight and they'll tell you that economy is either the same or worse than the previous generation GM vehicles.
My wife's Suburban gets the same mileage as my F250. This is really bad considering the Sub weighs at least 1,000 lbs less and has much better aerodynamics (plus AFM).
My wife's Suburban gets the same mileage as my F250. This is really bad considering the Sub weighs at least 1,000 lbs less and has much better aerodynamics (plus AFM).
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I've heard some of the Hemi guys having luck with it, but that doesn't mean much. You can drop cylinders, add gears...whatever. It still stands that you need a certain amount of power to push these pigs down the road. It might be less than what they actually use, but not much less (as things stand). Power=fuel. Adding gears to lower the RPM's further might even increase consumption in some cases.
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Originally Posted by osbornk
The MDS only appears to improve EPA ratings and does nothing in the real world. The various tests of GM's pickups shows a hugh difference between the EPA ratings and real life mileage. My nephew works at a larger GM dealership and is driving a new Silverado with the MDS and he said the fuel mileage is not improved and it is obvious when the cylinders activate and deactivate.
Albiet we don't have any mountains around here and the majority of road is flat. Getting that kind of mileage in both my Expy and F-150 would be a fairy tale and not to mention my 260 hp to the 345 hp of the Hemi.
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Originally Posted by tdister
Adding gears to lower the RPM's further might even increase consumption in some cases.
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Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
Help me out here......I honestly don't know. (too lazy to look it up)
Does GM have the MDS and FF in the HD segment??? (vs our V10's)
Does the MDS HONESTLY add economy??? (based on the 1/2 ton comparos I've been reading it does not)
And I respectfully disagree about the Shelby.....Ford needs Halo vehicles to bolster an incredibly weak performance image.
Does GM have the MDS and FF in the HD segment??? (vs our V10's)
Does the MDS HONESTLY add economy??? (based on the 1/2 ton comparos I've been reading it does not)
And I respectfully disagree about the Shelby.....Ford needs Halo vehicles to bolster an incredibly weak performance image.
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MDS seems like the way to go over lowering RPM's. When you use MDS you are likely going to be in a more efficient part of the powerband under cruising (engines have a sweet spot on piston speed and the like that they will burn better, as mentioned above). You are also going to lose less energy to heat leaving the motor. Only 4 cylinders working leaves less direct area for heat to soak into the engine. Heat=power=fuel.
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Dont they cycle through all 8 periodically to keep engine wear consistant, negating the affects of heating?
With modern variable valve timing, lowering RPM's could work quite well. Also remember that frictional losses increase as RPM increases.
With modern variable valve timing, lowering RPM's could work quite well. Also remember that frictional losses increase as RPM increases.