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Originally Posted by jimdandy
I just go by what I know and have seen. Why does your engine need "cleaning?" If you clean it, what results do you expect?
Todays engines, if maintained properly with quality products, will go for thousands of miles without problems. You don't get the sewage in the oil from combustion byproducts like you did with carb/tbi engines. Electronic fuel injection, computer controls, better combustion chambers for better burning of the fuel have reduced these problems considerably. Better oils, with the cleaning chemicals(detergents) already in them, machining methods, etc., have reduced pollutants immensely.
Unless an engine has been badly neglected, or ran in extreme conditions, I haven't seen "cleaning" as a problem. And, if it needs cleaning, pouring a "fix it in a can" isn't going to help. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt. jd
Todays engines, if maintained properly with quality products, will go for thousands of miles without problems. You don't get the sewage in the oil from combustion byproducts like you did with carb/tbi engines. Electronic fuel injection, computer controls, better combustion chambers for better burning of the fuel have reduced these problems considerably. Better oils, with the cleaning chemicals(detergents) already in them, machining methods, etc., have reduced pollutants immensely.
Unless an engine has been badly neglected, or ran in extreme conditions, I haven't seen "cleaning" as a problem. And, if it needs cleaning, pouring a "fix it in a can" isn't going to help. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt. jd
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"Todays engines, if maintained properly with quality products, will go for thousands of miles without problems. You don't get the sewage in the oil from combustion byproducts like you did with carb/tbi engines. Electronic fuel injection, computer controls, better combustion chambers for better burning of the fuel have reduced these problems considerably. Better oils, with the cleaning chemicals(detergents) already in them, machining methods, etc., have reduced pollutants immensely. "
I think you'd be surprised at what could come out of your engine. Do a little research, and you'll find lots of threads on lots of different forums about how surprised people were by what drained out after the rinse phase. Or better yet, give it a try and post your results.
I think you'd be surprised at what could come out of your engine. Do a little research, and you'll find lots of threads on lots of different forums about how surprised people were by what drained out after the rinse phase. Or better yet, give it a try and post your results.
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Originally Posted by PW01
"I think you'd be surprised at what could come out of your engine. Do a little research, and you'll find lots of threads on lots of different forums about how surprised people were by what drained out after the rinse phase. Or better yet, give it a try and post your results.
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Originally Posted by BuffmanLT1
There are still quite a few engines that have the tendency to sludge up even if proper care. Some of the toyota engines like to do that.
If anyone wants to use this stuff, fine. If those using it think it does some good, fine. It's their engine and their money. I have seen just about every chemical imaginable sold in one form or another as the "magic exilir" for automobile engines,(anyone remember Bardhal, Wynn's). The gunk that gets behind valves, and behind the piston rings is like cement, you have to chip it off and any chemical strong enough to dissolve this stuff would have to be so strong and in sufficient quanity that the engine would be damaged if used. You cannot replace worn metal, poor maintenance/driving habits, with some liquid in a can.
As for as testimonials, all the fore mentioned products, Slick 50, STP, etc., also had testimonials, and so called "data" to support their claims. I'll go by what I know. jd
Edit: The supporters of Seafoam make the same claims. Seafoam is pale oil and napthene. What are the ingredients of Auto RX? jd
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I'm not exactly sure of all the ingredients, but I do know that Auto-Rx has certain "esters" as main ingredient, similar to what you'd find in pure synthetic oils. These esters are responsible for the higher detergent properties of synthetics, so I would assume they work similarly in ARX...
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Originally Posted by wendell borror
I just saw Carol Shelby endorse this stuff on tv, if Carol says it's so, thats good enough for me.
If you visit the site www.zmax.com they have testimonials, show how the product works. $30 a pop. Gotta be good stuff. I wonder if they are owned by Auto RX, hmmmmmm................. jd
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ARX is a cleaner, not an additive. It doesn't profess to do anything except clean engine internals without using solvents.
And FWIW, Carroll Shelby is not an ARX spokesperson or endorser. I think Wendell may have been thinking about Z-Max when he posted that.
And FWIW, Carroll Shelby is not an ARX spokesperson or endorser. I think Wendell may have been thinking about Z-Max when he posted that.
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Originally Posted by wendell borror
"I'm bad", I most of got it mixed up what ole Carol was endoseing, as I saw it on the speed channel. I thought it was RX, it might of been MAX, It sure sucks to be an idiot, I know from experience.
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well I'll post any results I find from the old ranger. I only have 1000 miles left on the rinse phase. Measured compression before hand. Going to see if it improves at all, etc. Prolly do a few UOA afterwards. Who knows. I estimate this engine has to have around 230,000 miles if driven 14k a year from it's birth.
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Not to get into semantics, but it is added to the engine oil, hence additive. It is not a stand alone cleaner like some fuel injector cleaners. That doesn't matter anyway, doesn't make the product any better/worse. I like the zMax better, better advertising hype. jd
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Originally Posted by PW01
I guess that makes laundry detergent an additive and not a cleaner, because you add it to the water instead using it straight.
This thread is kinda turned to a nowhere direction. No minds will change, and I have stated my point of view based on personal experiences. The readers can make up their own minds, but I don't want to get in to a pissing contest about it. jd