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This truck was ordered with a 9800# GVW. So it would not sag. It was ordered to be a work truck. I f you call this whining your wrong, I'm B&%CHIN about the damn thing. This same package was on the 06 and it did'nt sit down on it's butt. I would have kept the 06 but it could'nt stay out of the shop. Now the 08 can'nt stayout of the shop. when this truck is up and running nothing else can touch it. Now it's in the shop for the second time with ony 5k on it. I'm diehard ford guy, the dodge is starting to look pretty good right now.
If you think your '08 Ford is bad, go try that same load with a Dodge or Chevy! It's not just Ford that's trying to please everyone. My '05 Chevy dmax 1 Ton sagged like a broke backed mule until I put bags on it, and I ran the same brand bags I had on my '99 psd and my '07 at a lot higher pressure to level the weakling out. I hear your complaint, but the capacity king, sag or not, is Ford hands down. I happen to like the flexability of the air bags myself, and the ride of my '07, fully loaded or not, is way better than my old '99 psd or my '05 dmax, and it has a heck of a lot more capacity than either one to boot! (11,400# gvwr vs. 8800# in the '99 and 9900# in the dmax).
As far as having to add stuff on to an already expensive truck: you really need to shop the competition to realize how much more we get, especially for heavy duty use, with our Fords, than the other two makes....
My $.02 worth (just sign me: "been to the dark side and now happily back")...
What kind of air bags do you have one yours? I am looking at the F350 DRW for pulling a 15K fifth wheel. I am obviously going to need them. Thanks
Originally Posted by diesel_dan
If you think your '08 Ford is bad, go try that same load with a Dodge or Chevy! It's not just Ford that's trying to please everyone. My '05 Chevy dmax 1 Ton sagged like a broke backed mule until I put bags on it, and I ran the same brand bags I had on my '99 psd and my '07 at a lot higher pressure to level the weakling out. I hear your complaint, but the capacity king, sag or not, is Ford hands down. I happen to like the flexability of the air bags myself, and the ride of my '07, fully loaded or not, is way better than my old '99 psd or my '05 dmax, and it has a heck of a lot more capacity than either one to boot! (11,400# gvwr vs. 8800# in the '99 and 9900# in the dmax).
As far as having to add stuff on to an already expensive truck: you really need to shop the competition to realize how much more we get, especially for heavy duty use, with our Fords, than the other two makes....
My $.02 worth (just sign me: "been to the dark side and now happily back")...
Wolf: see in my sig: I have the Air Lift bags, and have had 'em on 4 trucks w/o issue. That said, I've looked over the construction/parts you get on the Firestone bags, and would likely go with them if there's a next time. The Firestone's use brass connectors (vs. plastic on the Air Lift) and thicker air lines, yet are just a few bucks more expensive. Best price I found is at Summit Racing if you are going to do it yourself (pretty easy), or if there's a Camping World you can get to, they charge around $100 to install and they will match Summit's delivered price.
Be sure to run your air valves somewhere neat like behind your fuel filler door (learned that one the hard way).
This truck was ordered with a 9800# GVW. So it would not sag. It was ordered to be a work truck. I f you call this whining your wrong.
You bought a 2008 F250 Super Cab 4X2 6.4 PSD AUTO With a 9800 GVW and a 2730 pound payload capacity. You know you haul heavy stuff. So why didn't you order the same exact package in a 2008 F350? It has a 11000GVW and handles a 3,790 pound payload. That's 1,060 pounds more then your 2008 F250.
It seems like you bought a F250 when you really needed a F350.
Last edited by Technologist; May 24, 2007 at 06:17 AM.
Thanks, I guess I should have looked? I am still two years from purchasing my rig. We will be retiring and will be purchasing a 33-35 ft 5th wheel in the 15-16K range. I am just learning everything I can before the purchase, and trying to learn from others successes and mistakes. I want to do this once. I want to make sure I get the right size truck, rear end that will pull and handle a 15-16K trailer around the country. I am seeing that some do not have enough truck or the wrong rear end for what they are trying to pull. I don't want to make that same mistake.
Originally Posted by diesel_dan
Wolf: see in my sig: I have the Air Lift bags, and have had 'em on 4 trucks w/o issue. That said, I've looked over the construction/parts you get on the Firestone bags, and would likely go with them if there's a next time. The Firestone's use brass connectors (vs. plastic on the Air Lift) and thicker air lines, yet are just a few bucks more expensive. Best price I found is at Summit Racing if you are going to do it yourself (pretty easy), or if there's a Camping World you can get to, they charge around $100 to install and they will match Summit's delivered price.
Be sure to run your air valves somewhere neat like behind your fuel filler door (learned that one the hard way).
I am with all of those guys who rely upon their trucks for work. The need to chase after the bozos who buy 8,800 plus GVW trucks and have no use for them has really harmed the product. Now we have a softer sprung truck with better ride quality- and the idiots install level kits so IF the truck is ever used for work, it looks like a Pinto pointing to the sky with with 1,000 lbs in the hatch.
So- yeah- the new truck has some impressive numbers. But in the effort to capture the largest consumer market, compromises continue to be made. Now we have trucks that drive like nice cars - and that is of no use to those of use buy trucks for work. The new truck sags more easily- like a dodge. And that sucks.
But I am sure if all you ever haul is a cooler and jet ski in your level-kitted truck, you will be happy.
Sure wish trucks had not become a fashion accessory for the leisure office crowd.
-mike
Well, look at it this way. If only the people who really need a superduty bought them, how many would Ford sell? I don't know, but not nearly what they sell now. So, if Ford or GM and Dodge for that matter, don't sell many heavy duty trucks, how much money are they gonna spend on R&D, new technology, and retooling. If you don't believe me, look at the "E" series. Most of these vans are sold to companies as "work Trucks", so they don't do much to improve them. The 07 E-350 looks pretty much the same as a 92 E-350. And the body style before that came out in the 70's! Do you think trucks would be any different? I say, get off your high horse and be happy that people buy these trucks, because without them would there be a king ranch or even lariat option? These options may not be for me, but it's nice that I have the OPTION. What do you care if someone buys a king ranch F450 to buy groceries with. I don't know what you drive, but if it's not a reg. cab, XL with no options, is it a "real" work truck? So, buy a new truck with all kinds of improvements and options, and plan on buying air bags if you don't want it to sag. Better yet, wait for the "leisure office crowd" to get sick of there truck and buy it used for a good price with lots of life left in it.
Need to stay under 26000#'s. The F250 chassis up until 08 could do the job now they can't. thats why I call an 08 a SISSY Duty.
Just trying to help you Freak. I have had a 99, 04 and now an 08 F350 and they all sagged under the weight I put on them. Airbags help but you are entitled to your opinion about not needing them but all of my trucks did to get rid of this. It also made trailering and hauling heavy weight much easier.
I have not checked yet but I don't think they have changed anything in the rear ends between 99 and 08 on these trucks but I return home on Monday and will compare my 04 to the 08 to see any differences. I actually bought the 04 because I did not want the new front end suspension but like you, too many problems with that vehicle.
im with everyone else put the airbags in and quit complaining, my gf's dads duramax has alot more then airbags to keep it level just a skidloader behind it. yes the older PSDs had rock hard springs that rode harder and the truck sat WAY higher so you could really load them down and they wouldnt sag much, things change......
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