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Old May 1, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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"those" spark plugs

Ok, so I've read several posts about the plugs in the 5.4 L 3V engine and I'm wondering if I should just go ahead as swap them out now (at 18k) rather than wait till I have 100,000 miles.

I guess the question is are they less likely to break while they are still newer? Does the problem occur in all year models or is it just the 04's?

Possibly relavent info: I have an 05 with the 5.4
 
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Old May 1, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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Any spark plug can break at any time when you use too much force trying to take it out.
 
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Old May 1, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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I've read lots of the spark plug posts and if you change them before 25k your chances of having problems are low. Be sure you follow the TSB to the letter when you change them.
 
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Old May 2, 2007 | 04:11 AM
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Where can I find the TSB?
 
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Old May 2, 2007 | 06:33 AM
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https://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/full...php?tsb=06-5-9
 
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Old May 2, 2007 | 08:53 AM
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Wow, thanks big red. I didn't know those were there...
 
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Old May 2, 2007 | 05:25 PM
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Spoke to my local Ford dealer/Mechanic about this a few weeks ago. He mentioned the issues they, as a dealer, were having with them. The 2 on each side, in the back are supposedly the worst to get out. He said definitly do NOT wait until 100k to change them, but said to wait till you have at least 40k on the originals. I've got 9k to go and I'm getting them out.

He also mentioned the TSB removal process to a "T".
 
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Old May 2, 2007 | 07:00 PM
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Hmmm, after looking over the TSB I see it seems to be directed toward the 04's only. Has anyone with an 05 or 06 had any spark plug woes?
 
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Old May 2, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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The spark plugs you will find the hardest to get out will be the 2 rear on the passenger side. Driver side is not as bad but still bad. I would change them out so you know the shape. BTW mine is an 06 XLT. No woes but I just wanted to know where they were and if running rich or lean...... if I can get a pic of the ones I pulled out today you will see the white powder build up...... REALLLY LEAN.
 
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Originally Posted by Cuisinart
Hmmm, after looking over the TSB I see it seems to be directed toward the 04's only. Has anyone with an 05 or 06 had any spark plug woes?
Mine is an 06 with 50K has ran High octane fuel, injector cleaner, fuel antifreeze, synthetic oil Mobil 1, the works, used lubricant after the plugs started squeeking, got 7 out but #7 would not come out, the thread did, the electrode stayed inside, now the dealership tried to get it out soaking it for 30 hrs did not go anywhere, so they say, next step is to get the head off and clean it, which amounts to $2,600 bucks. Of course spark plugs are not covered under warranty, not even extended warranty. The tech at Ford says that now they are adding a "lubricant/anti-sieze" at the factory to help with the problem. A day late and a dollar short.
 
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I must of got lucky ,,recently helped a friend change plugs on his 01(125,000 miles) .After removing the coils and losing the plugs we squirted PB BLASTER in the holes and let in soak for a couple of hours .The plugs came out fairly easy.We did put anti-seeze back on for easier changing the next time.
 
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Originally Posted by Cuisinart
should just go ahead as swap them out now (at 18k) rather than wait till I have 100,000 miles.
best way I can put it is that you'll be playing with a with fire while covered in gasoline...just to "prevent" a problem later down the road. leave her be until your at or close to 100k
 
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Originally Posted by tylus
best way I can put it is that you'll be playing with a with fire while covered in gasoline...just to "prevent" a problem later down the road. leave her be until your at or close to 100k
This is by far the best advice yet. The manufacturer said the tune up interval is 100k. Why spend all that money prematurely? The reduced maintanence doesn't save us any money anyway, in fact I believe it to be more costly in the long run. I change plugs and wires in my old '88 every 30k or when it begins to become symptomatic and I can do this for about $60.00. I'm going to let the ford dealer have this one. If they break a plug, then they can figure out how to fix it. I'll gladly go toe to toe with any service manager that thinks I'll pay extra to pull a head off especially since the TSB is at the disposal of the technician.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 07:39 PM
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There is no reason to change the spark plugs, i have an 05 and read all the woes and headaces with people waiting till 100 thousand mile and wonder why they wount come out. at 10,000 miles i took mine out removed all without any penetrating oil and all came out with ease. had a little carbon on each cleaned each plug and applied anti seize, get the good stuff and reinstalled the same plugs they will go 80 to 90 thousand miles get you moneys worth out of them. and not worried 20 0r 30 thousand miles when i check on them I bet they will come out easy.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wesFX4
Mine is an 06 with 50K has ran High octane fuel, injector cleaner, fuel antifreeze, synthetic oil Mobil 1, the works, used lubricant after the plugs started squeeking, got 7 out but #7 would not come out, the thread did, the electrode stayed inside, now the dealership tried to get it out soaking it for 30 hrs did not go anywhere, so they say, next step is to get the head off and clean it, which amounts to $2,600 bucks. Of course spark plugs are not covered under warranty, not even extended warranty. The tech at Ford says that now they are adding a "lubricant/anti-sieze" at the factory to help with the problem. A day late and a dollar short.
Make sure your tech is exploring other options in the removal of the shell that is stuck in there! I got mine out with a lot of determination and the right tools...there is plenty posted on these forums directed at this problem. Dont just buy into his 2,600 dollar deal. Have some of your local mechanics look at it and see if they have the tools and the know how first.

P.S You can drive that baby on 7 cylinders for short way. I did
 
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