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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Question 430 v-8 info

Well a friend of mine is rebuilding a 1968 ford thunderbird with a retractable sun roof which was sent overseas for that option well any way it came with a430 big block and did know if any one had info on them like are they same as a 429 or 460 it will be interesting to hear some background on this motor thanks.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
 
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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The 430 is not a 385 engine, it has no interchangeability with them at all.
It is known as an MEL, for Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln, used 1958 - '68.
There isn't much information on this engine in this truck forum, as the MELs were never used in Ford trucks.
Try Googling for Thunderbird or Lincoln forums - The 430 was only used in the biggest Ford cars. such as the T-bird, Lincoln and Marauder.
 

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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 11:46 PM
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Try here for MEL engine info.

http://www.networks54.com/forum/257364
 
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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thank this helps i will check that out
 
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by banjopicker66
The 430 is not a 385 engine, it has no interchangeability with them at all.
It is known as an MEL, for Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln, used 1958 - '68.
Used 1958-1965 only (sorry BP), replaced for a short time by the 462 and only used in 1966/67 Lincolns. The 462 is a larger version of a 430. After 17 months, the 462 was replaced by the 429, a different engine.

430: 1958 Mercury Turnpike Cruiser; 1958-65 Lincoln; 1959-60 T-Bird (optional in the Birds, and rarely seen)
 

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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by water 5
Well a friend of mine is rebuilding a 1968 ford thunderbird with a retractable sun roof which was sent overseas for that option well any way it came with a 430 big block and did know if any one had info on them like are they same as a 429 or 460 it will be interesting to hear some background on this motor thanks.fficeffice" /><O></O>
NO 1968 T-Bird had a 430 EVER, The only Birds with a 430 were 1959/60. 1968 T-Birds had either a 390 or a 428. The 1967 and later Birds had a factory sunroof as an option, and if someone wanted one installed later, American Sunroof did it, as they were the pioneers in sunroofs from the 1950's on. If the car did go to Europe, the only roof that was different than the sunroofs found here in the US were made by German custom body maker KARMANN, the roof was canvas and retracted. (remember the VW Karmann-Ghia?).


First 429 engine: 1969 Lincoln Continental Mark III, introduced early 1968 as a 1969 model.

First American cars to have factory installed sunroofs: 1939 Cadillac; 1939 La Salle.
 

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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 02:45 PM
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My Dad really liked those late '50s and early to mid '60s Lincoln. Those 430's were real TORQUE MONSTERS. The tanny (a version of the Cruise-o matic/C-6) had D1 and D2. Normal driving in D2, which meant you started in second gear in a 5,000 pound car, D1 put first gear back in the program, like for towing the boat.
 
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ND: Thanks for the clarifications on the 430 specifically.
Engines have a fascinating history on their own!
 
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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my grandma bought a 68 lincolin new now my bro has it only 54000 miles on a 462. yall rite they are totaly different than any other ford motor
 
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wizzard351
my grandma bought a 68 lincolin new now my bro has it only 54000 miles on a 462. yall rite they are totaly different than any other ford motor
The 462 was used ONLY in 1966 and a part of 1967. It was replaced by the 429. Don't believe me? Look in the 1965/72 L-M parts catalog, Section 6000.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
My Dad really liked those late '50s and early to mid '60s Lincoln. Those 430's were real TORQUE MONSTERS. The tranny (a version of the Cruise-o matic/C-6) had D1 and D2. Normal driving in D2, which meant you started in second gear in a 5,000 pound car, D1 put first gear back in the program, like for towing the boat.
The C6 came out in 1966, the 1956/65 Lincolns used Turbodrive. Prior to Turbodrive, Lincolns used 2 version of Hydra-Matics. The 4 speed single range on 1950/51, the 4 speed dual range 1952/55.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
The C6 came out in 1966, the 1956/65 Lincolns used Turbodrive. Prior to Turbodrive, Lincolns used 2 version of Hydra-Matics. The 4 speed single range on 1950/51, the 4 speed dual range 1952/55.
Yeah, my Dad had a '54 Lincoln with the Hydra-Matic and if I remember right a 317 CID motor. The Lincolns stomped the begezus out of everyone in the Mexican Road Races in he mid '50s.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
Yeah, my Dad had a '54 Lincoln with the Hydra-Matic and if I remember right a 317 CID motor. The Lincolns stomped the begezus out of everyone in the Mexican Road Races in the mid '50s.
The original winning (Bill Stroppe prepared and driven by him) Mexican Road Race 1954 Lincoln exists. It was in the Harrah's Collection in Reno, but where it is know, I dunno.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 08:25 AM
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i believe ya Bill. but how can the 68 have a 462? i know its never been out out of there.it even has the ps pump on the crankshaft.if it wouldve ben a 429 i wouldve put up a fuss to get it. mabe that was on of those days they run outa parts and put an odball into somthing or mabe speical order.could ya tell if i called and got the vin
 
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Old Apr 22, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
NO 1968 T-Bird had a 430 EVER, The only Birds with a 430 were 1959/60. 1968 T-Birds had either a 390 or a 428. The 1967 and later Birds had a factory sunroof as an option, and if someone wanted one installed later, American Sunroof did it, as they were the pioneers in sunroofs from the 1950's on. If the car did go to Europe, the only roof that was different than the sunroofs found here in the US were made by German custom body maker KARMANN, the roof was canvas and retracted. (remember the VW Karmann-Ghia?).


First 429 engine: 1969 Lincoln Continental Mark III, introduced early 1968 as a 1969 model.

First American cars to have factory installed sunroofs: 1939 Cadillac; 1939 La Salle.
it was a 1960 i wrote it down wrong. and they sed it was put in this type for a couple of years the sun roof is metal that retract back i did see that he put a new head liner in it . so this was done by the german body makers a option .
 
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